24 Feb Self Made Plexiglass Recording (Isolation) Panel Shields (Images/Audio Updates)
since I think that the room (well, whatever it is: basement, walking closet, … ) doesn’t sound well (there’s mirrors, glasses and panels reflecting the sound) I wanted to try something that was suggested by ClearSonic. It’s “panels” made of Plexiglass (Plexi? Haha…) that are used to shield the cabinet. There is a wide array of those for sale at ClearSonic but believe it or not, I wasn’t able (in months!) to find a reliable source that would sell me the A3 panels (meant for a Marshall Half Stack cabinet, measuring 2’W x 3’H ). So I took those measures and contacted a Plexiglass laboratory here in Rome and had them made by them.
The same Plexiglass laboratory is making me a console to hold a huge Apple monitor to go with a multicore MacPro computer that I bought specifically for SoloDallas.net (my iMac is being now incapable of holding the processing power that I need to shoot videos and audio at the same time). So I asked them to also build me those ClearSonic-like-A3 panels (same measures).
While I still haven’t found a way to place them correctly in front of my cabinet (I forgot to ask them to build “feet” on the panels, so the lie down in uncertain positions; furthermore, microphone stands have legs that stand in the way and other issues).
While waiting on one of my pictures to show you how I set them up, here is ClearSonic own panels and the way they are:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXPYGoZTeII[/youtube]
and an image:
[singlepic id=423 w=1024 h=768 float=]
Mine are not as nice… lol. But you get the idea.
Here is the audio result of my first yesterday’s attempt with the 2204 (theoretically, this type of isolation would also let me increase the loudness level directly at the Aracom attenuation level, allowing for a better speaker breakup). Only the solo has been played with this setup, the other guitars are the same that were before on the backing track. The guitar here is the 1964 Gibson SG Standard original with a new pickup in the bridge (I forget what I put in years ago). But I’m sure it’s in the 8.x kohm area.
While the position of my panels is not at all the same as the ClearSonic ones (I have just laid down two panels, making a triangle with the cabinet) the soundproofing is a lot better than without panels. I can hear incredibly better many cabinet nuances that got lost before.
PLEASE NOTE: I did a site update and caused some temporary damage the my editor; I am being unable to fix it back to how it was. What I am doing, is still upload the audio files for you to hear them, so that you can figure out a bit what I am doing with the panels and how. First song to follow is the complete track with backing as earlier, with the solo re-played with the panels.
You will have to click the links and then come back to this page by pressing “back” on your browser. Sorry for this temporary inconvenience.
Now, singled out (soloed) the solo guitar for you to hear the nuances
This one instead is an attempt at capturing “Night Prowler” Angus’ tone. Played with the ’66 SG with a 12 kohm Di Marzio.
UPDATED with less “bass” frequencies (I had added bass freqs from within the Sonnox equalizer, so I simply took some off), as per George (SGAce) suggestion.
Kinglance
Posted at 19:42h, 11 MarchJoe Bonamassa has a signature baffle: http://jbonamassa.com/baffle/
06AngusSG
Posted at 23:05h, 03 MarchI know I said I’d do this a couple of days ago but I got busy with the posts and doing a re-wire on my bro-in-law’s SG.
These are of my recording baffle that I made. With the sound foam on the inside it eliminates the whole “boxy” sound. All you get is pure tube goodness.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55720588@N03/5494918927/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55720588@N03/5494918931/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55720588@N03/5494918935/in/photostream/
Cost was only about $30USD and left over covering from the amp.
06AngusSG
Posted at 18:35h, 27 FebruaryHey Fil,
I’ve been kinda absent for a while. Between kids, work and my old laptop blowing up, I haven’t even had time to come and make a comment much less finish my planned posts. I think I’m back now (bought a new laptop) and really want to finish my posts.
1. Amp & Speaker Cab building tutorials.
2. Amp Recovering (Tolex) Tutorial
3. “50’s” Wiring conversion. (Done on a SG)
I’ll try to have one done soon.
By the way. With the isolation, I went throught the stages of Plexi & so on. What I ended up with was a self-made panel of 1/4″ plywood and used hot glue to attach sound isolation foam to the inside. I also made a top peice to fill in the gap.
This eliminates all outside sound from finding it’s way into the recording, it stops the trebely sounds from bouncing back into the mic, and it allows me to turn the volume up further w/o the threat of divorce.
If I knew how I’d post a pic here but I’m not sure what to do. If someone explains that one to me I’ll be more than happy to.
SoloDallas
Posted at 19:27h, 27 FebruaryHi bro’, you know it’s not a problem. I often am absent for weeks myself lol This place MUST be a place where one feels free to visit or not, never an obligation. I can’t bear obligations of this sort 😉 Welcome back. PLEASE post pics.
banane
Posted at 19:29h, 27 FebruaryHi and welcome back. The most easiest way would be to create an account at an image hoster like flickr and put links to your images in your article with the “insert image” option.
06AngusSG
Posted at 06:45h, 28 FebruaryIf you’re meaning that method for pics in the post I figured that one out.
🙂 Thanks though. 🙂
I was meaning for posting a pic of my recording baffle here in the comments. (if that’s possible) 🙂
If not I guess I could post a link to it on flickr.
SoloDallas
Posted at 09:27h, 28 FebruaryHuh… not sure about the image tags if they work in the comments. Hm. Maybe just the link?
06AngusSG
Posted at 09:44h, 28 FebruaryThanx Fil,
I’ll be sure to post a link tomorrow. Haven’t actually taken a pic of the baffle yet.
I FINALLY finished one of the posts and clicked the “submit for review” button. Is that all I need to do?
SoloDallas
Posted at 09:46h, 28 FebruaryMaybe the [img][/img] tags in lower case work bud. About the article, that is it! I’m sending you LIVE now (thank you!!!)
Fil 🙂
06AngusSG
Posted at 09:49h, 28 FebruaryCool. Thanx again.
SoloDallas
Posted at 09:50h, 28 FebruaryIt’s me thanking you for the great piece you did 🙂 You’re live now 😉
svh366
Posted at 15:33h, 25 Februaryso which amp would you guys recommend?
JTM45, 1959, 1987 or almighty JMP?
SoloDallas
Posted at 15:36h, 25 FebruaryI’d go with a JMP (I have). I think they’re in the same price range. I would NEVER buy a JTM45, ever. I had two or three and never liked any. So either a JMP (first choice here) or a 1987 or 1959, respectively. Note that a 1959 without modification (MV) or attenuator will simply be un-usable.
banane
Posted at 15:56h, 25 FebruaryI second this. Instead of trying out several new Marshall amps, I decided to buy a JMP as my first tube amp. Will never regret it.
svh366
Posted at 16:33h, 25 Februaryguys, blieve it or not, but at the moment i’m beggin an ebay-seller to take his auction off ebay so i can buy the jmp in awesome condition!
wish me luck!!
banane
Posted at 16:46h, 25 FebruaryAlright, good luck! *crossing fingers*
Dries
Posted at 17:06h, 25 FebruaryA 18W Marshall (or clone ) goes way faster in overdrive, what makes it more usefull at home, and it has a tube rectifier, what makes the attack a bit smoother. But its still freaking loud.
Else, try to get a decent JMP clone ( wich are handwired ) or a late 70’s/early 80’s JMP or JCM 2204. Both wil do the job!
But don’t forget your speakers ! A good cabinet is 50% of your sound…
Good luck on bidding !!
ar2619Rob
Posted at 17:14h, 25 FebruaryIs this the one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-g1hFZtBPc
Dries
Posted at 18:13h, 25 FebruaryThats a original marshall 18Watt, only made in combo version. But many boutique brands offer a head version, with usually the tremolo channel replaced with a normal marshall tonestack. It sounds a bit different than a JMP, but it has a very nice saturation.
I use a 18W ceriatone to gig with, but also have a Cer. 1987 lead (JMP non MV ). The JMP has certainly more balls, but its way to loud, and it doesn’t sound well when the volume is lowered by the PPIMV.
svh366
Posted at 16:13h, 26 Februarywell, the search has come to an end.
i bought it. =)
a 1979 100w JMP MV
i am shaking and can’t wait until it arrives… =D
SoloDallas
Posted at 16:19h, 26 FebruaryFANTASTIC choice. I love ’em all, and so this one.
I have not been using mine recently, if you noticed.
Wondered why? Mine is still set to 120v, USA. Can’t be changed. With the Aracom, I can raise the master volume high. BUT it will simply eat and destroy my 300w supply converter (120 to 220). And the supply will turn off after 2 mins for excess heat. So I bought a 1.5kW one, incoming. These things use more power than a fridge!!!! 😛
svh366
Posted at 16:34h, 26 Februaryhaha!!! =)
question is, i don’t need an attenuator for this one, do i??
SoloDallas
Posted at 16:38h, 26 FebruaryYou do NOT need one: it’s a MV (Master Volume) implying that you can raise the volume to 1 or 2 (already LOUD) and get drive by raising the PRE-AMP volume. HOWEVER, the drive caused by the two is very different. While still greatly qualitative, the pre-amp volume is a small tube overdriving. To really get that massive AC/DC sound, you would need to drive the MASTER volume up high (crank the amp) so driving the main power output tubes. This is what I do WITH the attenuator. However, your 2203 will work greatly at bedroom levels with the master volume between 1 and 2.
svh366
Posted at 16:41h, 26 Februaryyeah, the problem was, money wise i had to choose:
old amp + aracom OR JMP
so, i thought: grab the jmp as quickly as possible, you don’t know when you will get such an opportunity again =)
SoloDallas
Posted at 16:42h, 26 FebruaryVery well thought out in fact. You did the right thing. You have a lifetime to choose an attenuator, if ever (if you will decide to use it). In the meanwhile, enjoy your BEASTY JMP 😉
svh366
Posted at 16:56h, 26 Februaryso i hope i dont forget about school and stuff like that =)
Lemmiwinks
Posted at 21:17h, 28 FebruaryI strongly recomend a attenuator! You dont whant to get eardamage ( wich you will if you want to get master volume breaking up). Or use earpluggs, stand outside the room. At first you wont get what Im saying ( I didnt either) but one day when you realize the pure awesomeness of that amp. Either you have to play outside or using protection! yes protection lol 🙂
banane
Posted at 17:43h, 26 FebruaryHm, mine was hardwired to 250V, maybe you can give it to an amp tech and let him do the same?
banane
Posted at 17:41h, 26 FebruaryCongratulations! Believe me, you’ll never forget the first time you played over it 🙂
banane
Posted at 14:04h, 25 FebruaryHello Guys, Question:
I would like to play my backing tracks via mp3 player or computer over my JMP, but only 1 of the 2 input jacks can be used per time. Any suggestions for this, adapters or input boxes or something?
SoloDallas
Posted at 14:37h, 25 FebruaryFranz,
you mean that you would want to play and hear mp3 files through the amplifier and cabinet? If so, I don’t suggest you do, unless it’s played very clean (i.e., very low master and pre settings). You wouldn’t damage anything, that’s not the issue. But it won’t sound right. I always did use a regular, even cheap hifi stereo nearby. Should you still want to try, you’ll have to find a Y cord type, to double the input of the high treble channel. Usually these are 5 inches types, but I guess you’d need a 3 inches for the mp3 player output. So you’ll also have to buy a converter (very common and cheap). Once you did this, you could try. The moment you turn any pre amp up though, even the mp3 files will overdrive lol
Otherwise, you may try to use the low amp input, “equalizing” directly from the mp3 player. Was it this?
banane
Posted at 15:11h, 25 FebruaryYes, this was it. It’s only for practising, to have a backing track and guitar easily on the same loudness level.
Well, putting the mp3 player into the low amp input and the guitar in the high amp input was my first try, but my guitar was silent then, so maybe only one of the inputs can be used per time. Strange.
Second try was a Y adapter, plugging both guitar and mp3 player into the high amp input, but that gives a loud buzzing noise (maybe due to the missing potential compensation).
So I’m a bit confused now if there are other options to do this.
SoloDallas
Posted at 15:27h, 25 FebruaryBro, I wouldn’t do it. They will never be at the same loudness level anyway. Furthermore, I suggest you have your guitar slightly louder to hear yourself properly. And in any case, an mp3 player will always sound too weird on a guitar amp & cab. The frequencies you need to hear (drums, bass most of all) would be all messed up. I really, really suggest any even cheap hifi player just next to you. There is another option that I was willing to suggest you: software emulators. Why so, Fil? A software emulator will let you play with great tone (I am building new sound patches for GR4!) over mp3s, with your headphones on, silently for anyone else but you. You can choose any balance of volume between the backing track and your guitar. You can change the sound of your guitar and/or the equalization of the mp3 file. You can record yourself fully digitally over the backing track and re-listen to yourself (greatly suggested from me: this is how I learned to play and still learn daily!). PLEASE let me know if you want to chat either over the phone, skype or email for any help to arrange all of this optimally. I feel that I should maybe do a tutorial about all of this. I was supposed to go back to the office but I canceled, I’m staying in the studio. Only going to the shop at 16:00 to pick the MacPro. I could maybe try and shoot a video later on in the day with the new machine. I’m here,
Fil
banane
Posted at 15:54h, 25 FebruaryThanks for your offer, Fil 🙂
Hm, well, ok, you really know what you say.
Situation here is: Amp and cab in the living room, computer and stereo also in the living room. Yes, living room is a bit stuffed. Will change when stepdaughter Sonja have her own flat 🙂
Now I play the backing track either on the computer or on the stereo, but both are not loud enough to compete with the Amp, too small speakers 🙂 Headphones are not an option, unfortunately. So I thought, best would be to plug an mp3 player into the amp and put its loudness a bit below the guitar.
Yes, I record and listen to myself often too (you told so some time ago and its in fact a great learning method) to revise my playing. I’m doing this with a Shure SM57 placed at the cab.
Seems that I’m a lucky guy being allowed to have all that gear in the living room 🙂
I also have GR4 here, but since I’ve got the JMP, I’m using it rarely. I know, the best solution would be to just use GR4 to play along with a backing track, but I just love to play over the JMP 🙂
Anyway, I’m looking forward to your GR4 patches, I will try them out.
Have fun with the new machine, Fil 🙂
SoloDallas
Posted at 16:03h, 25 FebruaryAlright Sir, you know I’m here 🙂 The the only option for you is… a new hifi in the living room 😛 You ARE a lucky guy being able to have your gear in the living room. Used to be a lucky guy like you, but when the living room got “populated” with 10 guitars, wife said “now you go outa here” lol and so off I went to the basement. I fully understand you wanting to play your beast (JMP), so I won’t insist on GR4. I too prefer the real thing, but espcially at night or evening, the neighbors WILL kill for this, so I just turn on GR4. Will submit a couple new patches alright.
banane
Posted at 16:13h, 25 FebruaryYeah, I know, FIl 🙂 Thanks for your hints, I feel I should really use GR a bit more often, like you said.
And I will get a bigger hifi 😀
ar2619Rob
Posted at 16:30h, 25 FebruaryFranz, a big hi-fi is what I’m doing, but it’s gotta be when everyones out. As I work shifts, I do get a couple of days each week when I have the house to myself though. btw my cab lives under the stairs when ‘she who must be obeyed’ is home, lol. However, my guitars sit on a stand next to the bed where I can touch them as soon as I wake. 🙂
banane
Posted at 16:42h, 25 FebruaryHehe, thats true love 🙂
What if you make up a room in your basement as a rehearsal room?
But well, similar situation here. I work from home, maintaining servers and customers over the net and here and there I have some hours off or I’ll knock off work early, so I have the flat for me alone.
Neighbors are fine as far as I dont play before 10 in the morning and after 10 in the evening.
Guitar and amp are in the living room left from my working desk. Just have to turn it on and grab the guitar when I have time.
When I bought the cab, I put in in a corner in the living room, but both wife and daughter said “no, it looks cool, just put it in the center next to the tv”. So we rearranged the furnitures a bit then. Just love both my girls 🙂
Unfortunately, it seems that our company goes down and I have to look out for a new job. And I’ll better not ask in the job interviews for taking my guitar and amp to the office then 🙂
Timvo
Posted at 19:23h, 27 FebruaryHello Fil what speakers do you use for GR4? 🙂
SoloDallas
Posted at 19:25h, 27 FebruaryYou mean the cabinet type? I vary a bit, most usually between the two 4×12 vintage ones (V1 and V2)
SoloDallas
Posted at 19:26h, 27 FebruaryPS the microphone choice is also important. I try and use more the condenser ones, the U47 and the U67, often at the same time, slightly panned
Timvo
Posted at 21:41h, 27 FebruaryI mean when you play with guitar rig software do you connect the computer with your amp or with other speakers?
SoloDallas
Posted at 22:49h, 27 FebruaryAH gotcha. I mostly play it with headphones. but when I mix it, I use monitor speakers connected to the external soundcard
Dobos Ádám
Posted at 12:42h, 25 FebruaryFil,
You will soon need a ladder to access some of your equipment 😀 That “tower” is huge. 😀
btw, this is a great idea. I saw this thing before, but never thought of trying it. Now you made me 🙂 I’ll get one and try it out.
banane
Posted at 13:07h, 25 FebruaryHehe yeah, it’s a really cool tower of rock 🙂
SoloDallas
Posted at 14:38h, 25 FebruaryDOn’t tell me about it! I already have difficulties in reaching the aracom up there! I’m 173 cm “tall” (or short). The other issue is that that “tower” is not the most stable one. I pull the cable jack and the risk is of something falling down. Not good: don’t do this at home (laughs). Also, I need to put another cabinet, one that is being restored to original looks (the 1969 slanted one). But simply put, I ran out of space here! 😛
Lemmiwinks
Posted at 00:04h, 25 FebruaryIs this the same method as with Angus isolationbox under the stage?
SoloDallas
Posted at 00:06h, 25 FebruaryI don’t know mate, but it must be similar. Bear in mind that anyway, the marginal difference (the quality of how you do it) can improve the final result a lot.
Lemmiwinks
Posted at 00:19h, 25 Februaryplexi sounds ok, but I’ve seen isolatinboxes (litteraly boxes) with soundisolating panels (you know, with the eggbox texture).
I dont now how that affects the sound but it should sound better than a flat plexi surface. With a jmp 100 w or SLP on full volume the room sound shouldnt be a problem due to sound bleeding out in to the room. If it is a room mic near the box could be helpful maybe?
Lemmiwinks
Posted at 00:22h, 25 Februarysry didnt read previous post about this.
solocali
Posted at 21:42h, 24 Februarythanks for answering Fil, this is kind of off topic but on the “What I should do next post” I think one of these songs would be great ARE YOU READY, LETS GET IT UP, HOUSE IS ON FIRE, LIVE WIRE =)
SoloDallas
Posted at 21:46h, 24 FebruaryAnytime. Great choices, have you submitted them?
solocali
Posted at 22:19h, 24 FebruaryI have listed it in the comments is that what you mean? if not how do I submit them
banane
Posted at 22:21h, 24 FebruaryWrite a mail with your wishes to covervotings@exception.at, thanks 🙂
solocali
Posted at 22:39h, 24 Februarywhat do I type for Cc? sorry for all the questions not good with computer stuff
banane
Posted at 22:41h, 24 FebruaryNo problem 🙂 For the subject, type anything you want.
banane
Posted at 23:20h, 24 FebruaryOh, and you dont need to put anything in the cc field. Just put covervotings@exception.at in the TO field, anything you like in the subject and your wishes in the text part 🙂
Tyler
Posted at 20:07h, 24 FebruaryWhen I click that rock idea link I get a 404 error, won’t work. However that prowler sounds so great!
Kinglance
Posted at 15:39h, 25 FebruaryI get an error too 🙁
rpatzelt
Posted at 17:32h, 24 FebruaryHmm, I don’t know what to say Fil. Of course it’s a technical gadget – the sound will be “pure”, just from the amp… but, what happens with the waves reflected by the plexi inside the box? I guess this will add more dirty mess-up. Or maybe you must put a sponge panel (as in the video clip), I don’t know. But the big question is why? 🙂 You’ve got already the most AC/DC-ish tone ever…
SoloDallas
Posted at 21:40h, 24 FebruaryIndeed Radu, the sound waves hit the plxiglass an bounce back. Not good. In fact, it’s why I defined this sound as too “boxy”, will have to put some cloth in between. Why do it? Oh, experimentation 🙂 One does get new sounds out of it, plus it helps familiarize with the amps sounds even more. It’s always practice. The thing is, that I don’t like this room sound. And also, I was trying to be able to raise the attenuation, so to have a louder signal to boost more the speakers and break them up. It’s a big part of the Marshall sound, and at my volume (loudness) level I am not breaking them up enough. So it was a further attempt at this. But with these panels, I won’t be able to, as there are too many areas that I wouldn’t be able to isolate and the loudness would still come out; maybe with the original panels it would be more possible. But also, indeed, the cloth is a need; it will break the sound waves for the most part, not letting them bounce back. That would isolate more the cabinet own sound. If I had a great sounding room, I wouldn’t do it, maybe. Although, even in great recording studios, they do block loudness a bit this way, at very high loudness levels. You still get to have the spill to other microphones, something that for example, AC/DC tend to do; but you do also need to partially isolate the cabinets and their speakers. AC/DC do this in studios regularly (maybe not with plexi; other panels are used)
solocali
Posted at 17:10h, 24 FebruaryFil I finally got my jmp sounds amazing but dry I was wondering were do you get your reverb from a pedal or studio
SoloDallas
Posted at 17:11h, 24 FebruaryHi mate, I get my reverb from a “Plug in” of protools.
So I put the microphones, play or record on one track where I have one or more plugins, one being in fact, a reverb.
Kinglance
Posted at 16:55h, 24 FebruaryWowwwwww!!! Amazing!!! That guitar-mp3 (that solo) is really blowing me away, what a great solo! And the prowler-file, that sound, so amazing!! Really great!! 10/10!! I’m having the chance to buy a 100 watt Marshall Super Bass and a 1960 BX cab with Celestions? U think I have to go for that amp?
Greetings, J-L
SoloDallas
Posted at 17:02h, 24 FebruaryMerci JL! Well, NO. No super bass. UNLESS you want Malcolm tone. While the circuits of the SB and SL are similar, you would have to modify it to a SL to make it sound as you want. SBs have more headroom, i.e., they overdrive less and later on.
Lemmiwinks
Posted at 00:03h, 25 FebruaryI’ve always wondered, is it possible to change the opposite way, SL to SB?
SoloDallas
Posted at 00:11h, 25 FebruaryYes it isand it’s not difficult at all (for someone who knows what he’s doing). BTW mate, I read what you wrote me on FB. Sorry to “hear” that. The only suggestion I have always known is to stop playing when I hear the “whistles” in my ears. At times, I don’t listen to any music for days to make it go away and recover.
Lemmiwinks
Posted at 00:25h, 25 FebruaryOk, it has become better now. I where a little bit frightened back then. And yes, it does seem to get better by letting the ears rest for a couple of days. thanks
Dries
Posted at 00:35h, 25 FebruaryThat’s a easy change. But keep in mind that a JCM800 bass series is a totally different circuit than a lead ( with the vert. inputs ), the lead is actually the same circuit as a late 70’s JMP.
ar2619Rob
Posted at 16:31h, 24 FebruaryA definite golden find, learning, learning, learning all the time. It’s like listening to the album with good headphones. More power to you!
SoloDallas
Posted at 17:01h, 24 FebruaryThanks Rob. Too bad the site is almost a mess 😛
svh366
Posted at 15:51h, 24 Februarydoes anyone know which amp angus uses live nowadays??
SoloDallas
Posted at 16:18h, 24 FebruaryYep, a few 1959s onstage and at least one JTM45 in isolation box
svh366
Posted at 17:07h, 24 Februaryso, i would like to buy one soon, which one would you recommend: 1959, 1987 or JTM45?
Dries
Posted at 17:25h, 24 FebruaryAngus’ live tone what you hear trough the PA speakers is a modified JTM45 (that runs hotter). On stage ( those on the right if you’re looking to the stage) he uses an Old JMP superlead. http://i54.tinypic.com/33afamr.jpg
The amp above it looks like a JTM45 but in a big box, so it could be a jtm45/100.
JTM45/100:
http://liveassets.rationalpathinc.netdna-cdn.com/usercontent/gear/2604065/p1_uy1re5tmm_ss.jpg
svh366
Posted at 17:48h, 24 Februarythanks, mate!!!
banane
Posted at 18:30h, 24 FebruaryVery interesting insights, thanks!
Tyler
Posted at 20:02h, 24 FebruarySkip to 2:20. Angus doesnt confirm what model but he confirms their reissues, but once again angus appears not to really know what he uses.
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC1yx4TCyXM
Dries
Posted at 20:11h, 24 FebruaryI think indeed he doesn’t. But I think Mal does, but it likes they don’t want to give much information. The real story will stay a secret imo…
svh366
Posted at 15:44h, 24 Februaryvery very cool sound! it’s really stunning!!!
I’ve ordered my Aracom today and i can’t wait to get it =)
SoloDallas
Posted at 16:18h, 24 FebruaryCongrats! It willchange the way you play fornthe better
banane
Posted at 15:25h, 24 FebruaryHoly shit, prowler.mp3 just sounds like I’m together with you in your lab. Now I know, what a “boxy sound” is, I believe.
Really great, Fil. It has something similar to the BiB album, having the same feeling like sitting together with the guys in the studio.
Did you take some photos?
SoloDallas
Posted at 16:20h, 24 FebruaryYes but it’s too boxy though. That is due much likely to the sound bouncing off of the plexiglass and re entering the microphones. A good thing would be to insert soft panels into it as in the video shown
banane
Posted at 16:35h, 24 FebruaryHm, ok. Well, yes, as George said, it’s a bit too bassy, but after all it’s a great improvement. Maybe you can improvise with a blanket or so?
SoloDallas
Posted at 16:25h, 24 FebruaryPS no photos yet, son asked my come up and play, sigh 🙂
banane
Posted at 16:57h, 24 FebruaryAlright, have fun, daddy 🙂
SGACE
Posted at 12:38h, 24 FebruaryVery interesting, so these panels help for the recording process or also in the general home/room playing?
By the way I really liked the tone of the solo guitar, it was more clear sounding.
SoloDallas
Posted at 12:46h, 24 FebruaryGeorge,
both. The panels will “enclose” what comes out of the cabinet (I suggest to watch the video on top) both allowing for less room dispersion and more sound control. Especially if one has a “bad sounding room”: that way the sound won’t bounce freely in the room (then re-entering microphones, canceling frequencies and so on). It will a lot more contained (can be completely contained with a well done isolation box as ClearSonic suggests) so that the microphones get more of what there is strictly coming from its speakers and inside the cabinet itself. In fact, the sound coming from the cabinet will bounce off of the plexi panels for the most. The sound will get a bit more “boxy-like” (I can hear it clearly with the headphones) but again, correct microphone positioning will help. So you put the panels, wear the headphones and go looking for new microphone spots. Fun (it really is for me) while playing the guitar. Just to make an example, Angus uses something similar when live, he has a 50 watts amp (they say it’s the JTM45) in a similar – I presume – isolation box under the stage. Also, several guitar players (Joe Bonamassa comes to mind) use it live, onstage. This allows for less onstage loudness, more control, equalization and some reverb, delays can be applied better. This is only the start for me. I think I plan on building a complete isolation box for the cabinet, a closed one, as shown in many ClearSonic image settings (at their site). Very often these are used for drums, too. Naturally, I say again, the “room sound” is almost lost entirely. Just some spill comes out. If I had my studio, with its recording room that sounded great, I may be not using this; but this room isn’t good sounding, so I am going for this solution for now 🙂
SGACE
Posted at 13:06h, 24 FebruaryI understand that the sound inside the panel is more focused but what about your ears? Can you enjoy the sound when your playing and I mean without headphones?
SoloDallas
Posted at 13:56h, 24 FebruaryNope. It’s all closed into it, you won’t enjoy it as much. But then, you can simply and easily remove the panels. I mostly play thhrough headphones George, especially for the experiments and learning 😉
SGACE
Posted at 14:07h, 24 FebruaryOk, I listen and listen AND listen to the solo and I am freaked out, BRAVO Fil..
What are the settings in the 2204 and which cab did you use?
SoloDallas
Posted at 14:45h, 24 FebruaryHang on Jo-Bro’, I ma making more and more positioning experiments right now. I am going to post in 5 mintues (PLEASE be here, I need your ears) two more audio files. One is the solo guitar you hear here, but “soloed” (only the solo guitar playing) and then, an attempt at “Night Prowler” (I love that song) where I tried to dial in some tone. I changed drastically the panels: before, I just had to panels forming a triangle with the cabinet (two panels on the sides meeting in front of the cabinet). Now instead I tried to put a first panel closer to the cabinet, hanging on the microphone stands (will post a pic). The other two panels try to cover the sides. The Night Prowler guitar is a higher output guitar always played on the 2204. The settings for the 2204 stayed exactly the same, what I DID change instead were the panels AND the equalization on the mixer. For recording, we must lear and understand that besides microphone positioning, the equalization in post is also important. Please hang on, loading the files now. Please note: these are just tests, nothing definitive, I am really just trying things.
banane
Posted at 14:50h, 24 FebruaryYes, I also listened several times, and its hard to describe, but it’s clearly better than before.
SoloDallas
Posted at 14:59h, 24 FebruaryFranz, with the update I did, the “media” post manager scrambled. I wanted to put the file in non-auto play mode, but couldn’t. So I had to delete it. Now I can’t re-put a quicktime media for some reason. Damn! Need time to figure out what happened. For now, no audio files sigh
banane
Posted at 15:04h, 24 FebruaryHm, I’ll have a look, maybe I have some constructive input.
Would you like to upload them to the filespace? I will provide you some links to the files then, so you can at post the links here and the show can go on then 🙂
SoloDallas
Posted at 15:13h, 24 FebruaryI still uploaded the files, but they show up as mere links (you can click them and play them in the window that apperars) but I lost the button in the editor that let me add “media” files that were then interpreted as quicktime, flash, etc. I am sure I didn’t have to update one of the plugins that my tech guy had designed for me for this purpose. Oh well… 😛 Still guys, you can click on the links and hear it. Let me know what you think?
SGACE
Posted at 15:30h, 24 FebruaryThe solo is VERY good it reminds me the beginning of the 1977 Live in Paris.. The night prowler I think the sound is too bassy, it needs more air..
anyway this is a excellent effort…
SoloDallas
Posted at 17:12h, 24 FebruaryGeorge and Franz, added images of the panels (and of how the room looks like right now) AND I re-equalized prowler, I took some bass freqs away in the range of 100-300 hz. Should sound better now? Still boxy I mean, but in fact Franz suggested adding a blanket which is a great suggestion. Going to do now
SGACE
Posted at 17:31h, 24 FebruaryThe prowler is improved. I put yours with the original to play at the same time, I feel that your sound is more edgy (more gainy) so I suggest to change a bit the EQ and if the presence is high to lower it. Another suggestion is to use the g12h30 cab
banane
Posted at 18:33h, 24 FebruaryYes, I totally second George here. Less bassy, and maybe a bit too much gain. Maybe just turning preamp a bit down? Anyways, again a great tonal experience.
Looking forward for the blanket records.
SoloDallas
Posted at 21:32h, 24 FebruaryYes, mine was more gainy. Too gainy. I had done it so I could play the solo too at the same time, but overdid it. George, I *am* using the G12H30s. Swapped cabs a month ago circa, been using this one for BiB, SDiF, …
Dries
Posted at 13:28h, 24 FebruaryHere’s proof that it is certainly a JTM45. It looks like a reissue?
[IMG]http://i51.tinypic.com/2hxty1h.jpg[/IMG]
banane
Posted at 14:58h, 24 FebruaryI think so, at least it looks brand new. Do you also have photos from that plexi glass cage? I’ve read it on several places, but did never seen a photo from it.
SoloDallas
Posted at 15:18h, 24 FebruaryHad never seen it so close up. Looks new, so yes, reissue. Has anyone noticed that one can see all of the settings on it? Hehehehe. I see treble at 6 and volume at 6 too
Dries
Posted at 15:27h, 24 FebruaryYes! His tone controls are very ‘neutral’ imo. But I think the amps are heavily modified. Probably with KT66 tubes and the choke removed and replaced by a resistor.
Here’s also a pic of his guitar rig. All the guitars we are familiar with are in 🙂 !
http://i54.tinypic.com/faob69.jpg
http://i54.tinypic.com/15yyotc.jpg
banane
Posted at 15:48h, 24 FebruaryBut what makes you think that the amps are modified?
SoloDallas
Posted at 16:29h, 24 FebruaryThey have stated that the amp are modded to be hotter, run hotter they said (interview).
Dries
Posted at 17:16h, 24 FebruaryI’m studying tube amps for a little while now. And from what I’ve read, those ( especially early ) AC/DC amps have very high B+ voltages. That’s due to the removed choke.
HagusYoung
Posted at 00:43h, 25 Februaryactually its well known that the guy building ARD amps, mods angus’ amps to. they both used ARD labeled amps at the stiff upper lip tour. And on the VH1 rehersals angus’ tone is way bigger and more saturated than what a JTM, honestly even if its the best on the planet, can do.
banane
Posted at 09:01h, 25 FebruaryHm, but you can clearly see 3 Marshalls on Angus side in the videos? I’m not sure but it seems to be an early JMP and a JTM.
HagusYoung
Posted at 14:21h, 26 FebruaryI really cant tell, they might be vintage they might be reissues. All i can tell you is that they sure are based either on the JTM45 circuit or 1959. So there might be JMPs, old ones with the JTM case and tolex but they are 1959s (4 inputs). A few have the JTM 45 on the panel a few dont.
About the modifications, guys will usually say: They run hotter.
That’s an almost useless info for us. But you cant try it yourself. If you play a JTM, i do, you will see that on a point where you have the maximum gain the amp get very spongy and muddy. The sweet spot with the tight, clear, dynamic and aggressive tone is around 6 – 7 depending on the guitar. The rest might me a bit too hash/picky or to fat and muddy. But set to this level the “gain” for lot of the lead stuff he does is simply not enough to make it sound that big. The JMPs 2203/04 do that very good, they are not as clean as a JTM though. These amps maintain their rock bottom tone while the JTM will fall back into clean as soon as you stop pushing everything very hard (in solos/ single notes).
banane
Posted at 14:28h, 26 FebruaryYeah, “they run hotter” is in fact a useless information. Seems like Ang and Mal don’t want to tell all the secrets 🙂
Hm, but from your explatation (thanks btw), it seems logical that they told their amp tech: “just get that spongy and mud
dy tone away”, so maybe thats the secret.
Tyler
Posted at 19:53h, 24 FebruaryGreat pics man, did you get backstage?
banane
Posted at 15:34h, 24 FebruaryYeah, even Presence is on 6. Bass seems to be on 8, Middle also on 6. Very interesting.
SoloDallas
Posted at 16:30h, 24 FebruarySee Franz? So much for Angus saying he isnt a presence guy. I think he often wont remember how he set things :p
banane
Posted at 16:56h, 24 FebruaryYeah, thats funny. Maybe he don’t do the settings himself anymore. Or he doesn’t have his glasses on when doing the amp settings, hehe 🙂
banane
Posted at 11:28h, 24 FebruaryLooks interesting, Fil. How much louder can you go with it?
And nice Hardware upgrade, btw 🙂 Especially video processing takes a lot of advantages from multicore cpus. Don’t forget about lots of RAM and a RAID to keep your data safe.
SoloDallas
Posted at 12:17h, 24 FebruaryThanks Franz 🙂 Still not here, I was waiting on the console to be ready before I picked up the “monster” at the shop. This is also why I didn’t release any more videos: the iMac stopped responding properly. I realized there were too many applications running at once (the video monitoring for the video camera and protools with several plugins, namely, the Sonnox equalization and Sonnox reverb). I loaded the MacPro with 6GB of RAM for now (at the shop) while the iMac has 4 GB RAM. But it isn’t much a matter of RAM for the iMac: I saw the two cores reaching the highest level and the machine warms up so much that I can easily cook an egg on it. Regarding the db’s, I don’t know yet how much I can raise the attenuator. I could measure it (in numbers) with a foolish application I have on the iPhone 😛 But for now, the level in the room is even definitely lower than before at the same amp settings and attenuator settings. Makes me hope 🙂
How do you like the “new” tone?
banane
Posted at 12:36h, 24 FebruaryHehe, I love the MacPro. Some years ago I was head of IT in an agency, had over 40 of them to maintain. Had even small rendering farms for little fancy 3d video spots 🙂 Really good hardware. Don’t know how big your video and other data files are, but a general rule of thumb is, to have enough RAM in your workstation to keep all working data and the running programs in it.
Yeah, the iMac is a nice office machine but hasn’t enough balls for the harder tasks. Cooling not efficient enough and such things.
Regarding the tone, it sounds more alive, more wider than before. There’s more “room”. And again a bit more professional, its again a bit closer to a professional studio recording. I like it a lot.
SoloDallas
Posted at 12:20h, 24 FebruaryOn a side note, I just “updated” wordpress and some plugins, and I am noticing that the “youtube” plug in stopped working (you can see the youtube address as not recognized). I called my tech to fix it 🙂
banane
Posted at 12:38h, 24 FebruaryYeah, I noticed that and the new toolbar at the top. Nice enhancement, very handy, minimizes scrolling 🙂
SoloDallas
Posted at 12:49h, 24 FebruaryYoutube plugin now working again 😀
Timvo
Posted at 11:18h, 24 FebruaryHello , where can we find the backing track? 🙂
SoloDallas
Posted at 12:13h, 24 FebruaryTimwo, do you want the backing track on its own, without lead? If so, I’m posting it in a while 🙂