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Self Made Plexiglass Recording (Isolation) Panel Shields (Images/Audio Updates)

24 Feb Self Made Plexiglass Recording (Isolation) Panel Shields (Images/Audio Updates)

Well,

since I think that the room (well, whatever it is: basement, walking closet, … ) doesn’t sound well (there’s mirrors, glasses and panels reflecting the sound) I wanted to try something that was suggested by ClearSonic. It’s “panels” made of Plexiglass (Plexi? Haha…) that are used to shield the cabinet. There is a wide array of those for sale at ClearSonic but believe it or not, I wasn’t able (in months!) to find a reliable source that would sell me the A3 panels (meant for a Marshall Half Stack cabinet, measuring 2’W x 3’H ). So I took those measures and contacted a Plexiglass laboratory here in Rome and had them made by them.

The same Plexiglass laboratory is making me a console to hold a huge Apple monitor to go with a multicore MacPro computer that I bought specifically for SoloDallas.net (my iMac is being now incapable of holding the processing power that I need to shoot videos and audio at the same time). So I asked them to also build me those ClearSonic-like-A3 panels (same measures).

While I still haven’t found a way to place them correctly in front of my cabinet (I forgot to ask them to build “feet” on the panels, so the lie down in uncertain positions; furthermore, microphone stands have legs that stand in the way and other issues).

While waiting on one of my pictures to show you how I set them up, here is ClearSonic own panels and the way they are:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXPYGoZTeII[/youtube]

and an image:

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Mine are not as nice… lol. But you get the idea.

Here is the audio result of my first yesterday’s attempt with the 2204 (theoretically, this type of isolation would also let me increase the loudness level directly at the Aracom attenuation level, allowing for a better speaker breakup). Only the solo has been played with this setup, the other guitars are the same that were before on the backing track. The guitar here is the 1964 Gibson SG Standard original with a new pickup in the bridge (I forget what I put in years ago). But I’m sure it’s in the 8.x kohm area.

While the position of my panels is not at all the same as the ClearSonic ones (I have just laid down two panels, making a triangle with the cabinet) the soundproofing is a lot better than without panels. I can hear incredibly better many cabinet nuances that got lost before.

PLEASE NOTE: I did a site update and caused some temporary damage the my editor; I am being unable to fix it back to how it was. What I am doing, is still upload the audio files for you to hear them, so that you can figure out a bit what I am doing with the panels and how. First song to follow is the complete track with backing as earlier, with the solo re-played with the panels.

You will have to click the links and then come back to this page by pressing “back” on your browser. Sorry for this temporary inconvenience.

rock-idea5.mp3 1730880

Now, singled out (soloed) the solo guitar for you to hear the nuances

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This one instead is an attempt at capturing “Night Prowler” Angus’ tone. Played with the ’66 SG with a 12 kohm Di Marzio.

UPDATED with less “bass” frequencies (I had added bass freqs from within the Sonnox equalizer, so I simply took some off), as per George (SGAce) suggestion.

prowler

 

 

 

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Fil "SoloDallas" Olivieri
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124 Comments
  • avatar
    Kinglance
    Posted at 19:42h, 11 March

    Joe Bonamassa has a signature baffle: http://jbonamassa.com/baffle/

  • avatar
    06AngusSG
    Posted at 23:05h, 03 March

    I know I said I’d do this a couple of days ago but I got busy with the posts and doing a re-wire on my bro-in-law’s SG.

    These are of my recording baffle that I made. With the sound foam on the inside it eliminates the whole “boxy” sound. All you get is pure tube goodness.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/55720588@N03/5494918927/in/photostream/

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/55720588@N03/5494918931/in/photostream/

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/55720588@N03/5494918935/in/photostream/

    Cost was only about $30USD and left over covering from the amp.

  • avatar
    06AngusSG
    Posted at 18:35h, 27 February

    Hey Fil,

    I’ve been kinda absent for a while. Between kids, work and my old laptop blowing up, I haven’t even had time to come and make a comment much less finish my planned posts. I think I’m back now (bought a new laptop) and really want to finish my posts.

    1. Amp & Speaker Cab building tutorials.

    2. Amp Recovering (Tolex) Tutorial

    3. “50’s” Wiring conversion. (Done on a SG)

    I’ll try to have one done soon.

    By the way. With the isolation, I went throught the stages of Plexi & so on. What I ended up with was a self-made panel of 1/4″ plywood and used hot glue to attach sound isolation foam to the inside. I also made a top peice to fill in the gap.
    This eliminates all outside sound from finding it’s way into the recording, it stops the trebely sounds from bouncing back into the mic, and it allows me to turn the volume up further w/o the threat of divorce.

    If I knew how I’d post a pic here but I’m not sure what to do. If someone explains that one to me I’ll be more than happy to.

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 19:27h, 27 February

      Hi bro’, you know it’s not a problem. I often am absent for weeks myself lol This place MUST be a place where one feels free to visit or not, never an obligation. I can’t bear obligations of this sort 😉 Welcome back. PLEASE post pics.

    • avatar
      banane
      Posted at 19:29h, 27 February

      Hi and welcome back. The most easiest way would be to create an account at an image hoster like flickr and put links to your images in your article with the “insert image” option.

      • avatar
        06AngusSG
        Posted at 06:45h, 28 February

        If you’re meaning that method for pics in the post I figured that one out.

        🙂 Thanks though. 🙂

        I was meaning for posting a pic of my recording baffle here in the comments. (if that’s possible) 🙂

        If not I guess I could post a link to it on flickr.

        • avatar
          SoloDallas
          Posted at 09:27h, 28 February

          Huh… not sure about the image tags if they work in the comments. Hm. Maybe just the link?

          • avatar
            06AngusSG
            Posted at 09:44h, 28 February

            Thanx Fil,

            I’ll be sure to post a link tomorrow. Haven’t actually taken a pic of the baffle yet.

            I FINALLY finished one of the posts and clicked the “submit for review” button. Is that all I need to do?

            • avatar
              SoloDallas
              Posted at 09:46h, 28 February

              Maybe the [img][/img] tags in lower case work bud. About the article, that is it! I’m sending you LIVE now (thank you!!!)

              Fil 🙂

              • avatar
                06AngusSG
                Posted at 09:49h, 28 February

                Cool. Thanx again.

                • avatar
                  SoloDallas
                  Posted at 09:50h, 28 February

                  It’s me thanking you for the great piece you did 🙂 You’re live now 😉

  • avatar
    svh366
    Posted at 15:33h, 25 February

    so which amp would you guys recommend?
    JTM45, 1959, 1987 or almighty JMP?

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 15:36h, 25 February

      I’d go with a JMP (I have). I think they’re in the same price range. I would NEVER buy a JTM45, ever. I had two or three and never liked any. So either a JMP (first choice here) or a 1987 or 1959, respectively. Note that a 1959 without modification (MV) or attenuator will simply be un-usable.

      • avatar
        banane
        Posted at 15:56h, 25 February

        I second this. Instead of trying out several new Marshall amps, I decided to buy a JMP as my first tube amp. Will never regret it.

        • avatar
          svh366
          Posted at 16:33h, 25 February

          guys, blieve it or not, but at the moment i’m beggin an ebay-seller to take his auction off ebay so i can buy the jmp in awesome condition!
          wish me luck!!

          • avatar
            banane
            Posted at 16:46h, 25 February

            Alright, good luck! *crossing fingers*

          • avatar
            Dries
            Posted at 17:06h, 25 February

            A 18W Marshall (or clone ) goes way faster in overdrive, what makes it more usefull at home, and it has a tube rectifier, what makes the attack a bit smoother. But its still freaking loud.
            Else, try to get a decent JMP clone ( wich are handwired ) or a late 70’s/early 80’s JMP or JCM 2204. Both wil do the job!

            But don’t forget your speakers ! A good cabinet is 50% of your sound…

            Good luck on bidding !!

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              ar2619Rob
              Posted at 17:14h, 25 February
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                Dries
                Posted at 18:13h, 25 February

                Thats a original marshall 18Watt, only made in combo version. But many boutique brands offer a head version, with usually the tremolo channel replaced with a normal marshall tonestack. It sounds a bit different than a JMP, but it has a very nice saturation.

                I use a 18W ceriatone to gig with, but also have a Cer. 1987 lead (JMP non MV ). The JMP has certainly more balls, but its way to loud, and it doesn’t sound well when the volume is lowered by the PPIMV.

      • avatar
        svh366
        Posted at 16:13h, 26 February

        well, the search has come to an end.
        i bought it. =)
        a 1979 100w JMP MV
        i am shaking and can’t wait until it arrives… =D

        • avatar
          SoloDallas
          Posted at 16:19h, 26 February

          FANTASTIC choice. I love ’em all, and so this one.
          I have not been using mine recently, if you noticed.
          Wondered why? Mine is still set to 120v, USA. Can’t be changed. With the Aracom, I can raise the master volume high. BUT it will simply eat and destroy my 300w supply converter (120 to 220). And the supply will turn off after 2 mins for excess heat. So I bought a 1.5kW one, incoming. These things use more power than a fridge!!!! 😛

          • avatar
            svh366
            Posted at 16:34h, 26 February

            haha!!! =)
            question is, i don’t need an attenuator for this one, do i??

            • avatar
              SoloDallas
              Posted at 16:38h, 26 February

              You do NOT need one: it’s a MV (Master Volume) implying that you can raise the volume to 1 or 2 (already LOUD) and get drive by raising the PRE-AMP volume. HOWEVER, the drive caused by the two is very different. While still greatly qualitative, the pre-amp volume is a small tube overdriving. To really get that massive AC/DC sound, you would need to drive the MASTER volume up high (crank the amp) so driving the main power output tubes. This is what I do WITH the attenuator. However, your 2203 will work greatly at bedroom levels with the master volume between 1 and 2.

              • avatar
                svh366
                Posted at 16:41h, 26 February

                yeah, the problem was, money wise i had to choose:
                old amp + aracom OR JMP
                so, i thought: grab the jmp as quickly as possible, you don’t know when you will get such an opportunity again =)

                • avatar
                  SoloDallas
                  Posted at 16:42h, 26 February

                  Very well thought out in fact. You did the right thing. You have a lifetime to choose an attenuator, if ever (if you will decide to use it). In the meanwhile, enjoy your BEASTY JMP 😉

                  • avatar
                    svh366
                    Posted at 16:56h, 26 February

                    so i hope i dont forget about school and stuff like that =)

                    • avatar
                      Lemmiwinks
                      Posted at 21:17h, 28 February

                      I strongly recomend a attenuator! You dont whant to get eardamage ( wich you will if you want to get master volume breaking up). Or use earpluggs, stand outside the room. At first you wont get what Im saying ( I didnt either) but one day when you realize the pure awesomeness of that amp. Either you have to play outside or using protection! yes protection lol 🙂

          • avatar
            banane
            Posted at 17:43h, 26 February

            Hm, mine was hardwired to 250V, maybe you can give it to an amp tech and let him do the same?

        • avatar
          banane
          Posted at 17:41h, 26 February

          Congratulations! Believe me, you’ll never forget the first time you played over it 🙂

  • avatar
    banane
    Posted at 14:04h, 25 February

    Hello Guys, Question:
    I would like to play my backing tracks via mp3 player or computer over my JMP, but only 1 of the 2 input jacks can be used per time. Any suggestions for this, adapters or input boxes or something?

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 14:37h, 25 February

      Franz,
      you mean that you would want to play and hear mp3 files through the amplifier and cabinet? If so, I don’t suggest you do, unless it’s played very clean (i.e., very low master and pre settings). You wouldn’t damage anything, that’s not the issue. But it won’t sound right. I always did use a regular, even cheap hifi stereo nearby. Should you still want to try, you’ll have to find a Y cord type, to double the input of the high treble channel. Usually these are 5 inches types, but I guess you’d need a 3 inches for the mp3 player output. So you’ll also have to buy a converter (very common and cheap). Once you did this, you could try. The moment you turn any pre amp up though, even the mp3 files will overdrive lol
      Otherwise, you may try to use the low amp input, “equalizing” directly from the mp3 player. Was it this?

      • avatar
        banane
        Posted at 15:11h, 25 February

        Yes, this was it. It’s only for practising, to have a backing track and guitar easily on the same loudness level.
        Well, putting the mp3 player into the low amp input and the guitar in the high amp input was my first try, but my guitar was silent then, so maybe only one of the inputs can be used per time. Strange.

        Second try was a Y adapter, plugging both guitar and mp3 player into the high amp input, but that gives a loud buzzing noise (maybe due to the missing potential compensation).
        So I’m a bit confused now if there are other options to do this.

        • avatar
          SoloDallas
          Posted at 15:27h, 25 February

          Bro, I wouldn’t do it. They will never be at the same loudness level anyway. Furthermore, I suggest you have your guitar slightly louder to hear yourself properly. And in any case, an mp3 player will always sound too weird on a guitar amp & cab. The frequencies you need to hear (drums, bass most of all) would be all messed up. I really, really suggest any even cheap hifi player just next to you. There is another option that I was willing to suggest you: software emulators. Why so, Fil? A software emulator will let you play with great tone (I am building new sound patches for GR4!) over mp3s, with your headphones on, silently for anyone else but you. You can choose any balance of volume between the backing track and your guitar. You can change the sound of your guitar and/or the equalization of the mp3 file. You can record yourself fully digitally over the backing track and re-listen to yourself (greatly suggested from me: this is how I learned to play and still learn daily!). PLEASE let me know if you want to chat either over the phone, skype or email for any help to arrange all of this optimally. I feel that I should maybe do a tutorial about all of this. I was supposed to go back to the office but I canceled, I’m staying in the studio. Only going to the shop at 16:00 to pick the MacPro. I could maybe try and shoot a video later on in the day with the new machine. I’m here,

          Fil

          • avatar
            banane
            Posted at 15:54h, 25 February

            Thanks for your offer, Fil 🙂
            Hm, well, ok, you really know what you say.
            Situation here is: Amp and cab in the living room, computer and stereo also in the living room. Yes, living room is a bit stuffed. Will change when stepdaughter Sonja have her own flat 🙂

            Now I play the backing track either on the computer or on the stereo, but both are not loud enough to compete with the Amp, too small speakers 🙂 Headphones are not an option, unfortunately. So I thought, best would be to plug an mp3 player into the amp and put its loudness a bit below the guitar.
            Yes, I record and listen to myself often too (you told so some time ago and its in fact a great learning method) to revise my playing. I’m doing this with a Shure SM57 placed at the cab.
            Seems that I’m a lucky guy being allowed to have all that gear in the living room 🙂

            I also have GR4 here, but since I’ve got the JMP, I’m using it rarely. I know, the best solution would be to just use GR4 to play along with a backing track, but I just love to play over the JMP 🙂
            Anyway, I’m looking forward to your GR4 patches, I will try them out.

            Have fun with the new machine, Fil 🙂

            • avatar
              SoloDallas
              Posted at 16:03h, 25 February

              Alright Sir, you know I’m here 🙂 The the only option for you is… a new hifi in the living room 😛 You ARE a lucky guy being able to have your gear in the living room. Used to be a lucky guy like you, but when the living room got “populated” with 10 guitars, wife said “now you go outa here” lol and so off I went to the basement. I fully understand you wanting to play your beast (JMP), so I won’t insist on GR4. I too prefer the real thing, but espcially at night or evening, the neighbors WILL kill for this, so I just turn on GR4. Will submit a couple new patches alright.

              • avatar
                banane
                Posted at 16:13h, 25 February

                Yeah, I know, FIl 🙂 Thanks for your hints, I feel I should really use GR a bit more often, like you said.
                And I will get a bigger hifi 😀

                • avatar
                  ar2619Rob
                  Posted at 16:30h, 25 February

                  Franz, a big hi-fi is what I’m doing, but it’s gotta be when everyones out. As I work shifts, I do get a couple of days each week when I have the house to myself though. btw my cab lives under the stairs when ‘she who must be obeyed’ is home, lol. However, my guitars sit on a stand next to the bed where I can touch them as soon as I wake. 🙂

                  • avatar
                    banane
                    Posted at 16:42h, 25 February

                    Hehe, thats true love 🙂
                    What if you make up a room in your basement as a rehearsal room?
                    But well, similar situation here. I work from home, maintaining servers and customers over the net and here and there I have some hours off or I’ll knock off work early, so I have the flat for me alone.
                    Neighbors are fine as far as I dont play before 10 in the morning and after 10 in the evening.
                    Guitar and amp are in the living room left from my working desk. Just have to turn it on and grab the guitar when I have time.

                    When I bought the cab, I put in in a corner in the living room, but both wife and daughter said “no, it looks cool, just put it in the center next to the tv”. So we rearranged the furnitures a bit then. Just love both my girls 🙂

                    Unfortunately, it seems that our company goes down and I have to look out for a new job. And I’ll better not ask in the job interviews for taking my guitar and amp to the office then 🙂

              • avatar
                Timvo
                Posted at 19:23h, 27 February

                Hello Fil what speakers do you use for GR4? 🙂

                • avatar
                  SoloDallas
                  Posted at 19:25h, 27 February

                  You mean the cabinet type? I vary a bit, most usually between the two 4×12 vintage ones (V1 and V2)

                  • avatar
                    SoloDallas
                    Posted at 19:26h, 27 February

                    PS the microphone choice is also important. I try and use more the condenser ones, the U47 and the U67, often at the same time, slightly panned

                  • avatar
                    Timvo
                    Posted at 21:41h, 27 February

                    I mean when you play with guitar rig software do you connect the computer with your amp or with other speakers?

                    • avatar
                      SoloDallas
                      Posted at 22:49h, 27 February

                      AH gotcha. I mostly play it with headphones. but when I mix it, I use monitor speakers connected to the external soundcard

  • avatar
    Dobos Ádám
    Posted at 12:42h, 25 February

    Fil,
    You will soon need a ladder to access some of your equipment 😀 That “tower” is huge. 😀
    btw, this is a great idea. I saw this thing before, but never thought of trying it. Now you made me 🙂 I’ll get one and try it out.

    • avatar
      banane
      Posted at 13:07h, 25 February

      Hehe yeah, it’s a really cool tower of rock 🙂

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 14:38h, 25 February

      DOn’t tell me about it! I already have difficulties in reaching the aracom up there! I’m 173 cm “tall” (or short). The other issue is that that “tower” is not the most stable one. I pull the cable jack and the risk is of something falling down. Not good: don’t do this at home (laughs). Also, I need to put another cabinet, one that is being restored to original looks (the 1969 slanted one). But simply put, I ran out of space here! 😛

  • avatar
    Lemmiwinks
    Posted at 00:04h, 25 February

    Is this the same method as with Angus isolationbox under the stage?

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 00:06h, 25 February

      I don’t know mate, but it must be similar. Bear in mind that anyway, the marginal difference (the quality of how you do it) can improve the final result a lot.

      • avatar
        Lemmiwinks
        Posted at 00:19h, 25 February

        plexi sounds ok, but I’ve seen isolatinboxes (litteraly boxes) with soundisolating panels (you know, with the eggbox texture).

        I dont now how that affects the sound but it should sound better than a flat plexi surface. With a jmp 100 w or SLP on full volume the room sound shouldnt be a problem due to sound bleeding out in to the room. If it is a room mic near the box could be helpful maybe?

        • avatar
          Lemmiwinks
          Posted at 00:22h, 25 February

          sry didnt read previous post about this.

  • avatar
    solocali
    Posted at 21:42h, 24 February

    thanks for answering Fil, this is kind of off topic but on the “What I should do next post” I think one of these songs would be great ARE YOU READY, LETS GET IT UP, HOUSE IS ON FIRE, LIVE WIRE =)

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 21:46h, 24 February

      Anytime. Great choices, have you submitted them?

      • avatar
        solocali
        Posted at 22:19h, 24 February

        I have listed it in the comments is that what you mean? if not how do I submit them

  • avatar
    Tyler
    Posted at 20:07h, 24 February

    When I click that rock idea link I get a 404 error, won’t work. However that prowler sounds so great!

    • avatar
      Kinglance
      Posted at 15:39h, 25 February

      I get an error too 🙁

  • avatar
    rpatzelt
    Posted at 17:32h, 24 February

    Hmm, I don’t know what to say Fil. Of course it’s a technical gadget – the sound will be “pure”, just from the amp… but, what happens with the waves reflected by the plexi inside the box? I guess this will add more dirty mess-up. Or maybe you must put a sponge panel (as in the video clip), I don’t know. But the big question is why? 🙂 You’ve got already the most AC/DC-ish tone ever…

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 21:40h, 24 February

      Indeed Radu, the sound waves hit the plxiglass an bounce back. Not good. In fact, it’s why I defined this sound as too “boxy”, will have to put some cloth in between. Why do it? Oh, experimentation 🙂 One does get new sounds out of it, plus it helps familiarize with the amps sounds even more. It’s always practice. The thing is, that I don’t like this room sound. And also, I was trying to be able to raise the attenuation, so to have a louder signal to boost more the speakers and break them up. It’s a big part of the Marshall sound, and at my volume (loudness) level I am not breaking them up enough. So it was a further attempt at this. But with these panels, I won’t be able to, as there are too many areas that I wouldn’t be able to isolate and the loudness would still come out; maybe with the original panels it would be more possible. But also, indeed, the cloth is a need; it will break the sound waves for the most part, not letting them bounce back. That would isolate more the cabinet own sound. If I had a great sounding room, I wouldn’t do it, maybe. Although, even in great recording studios, they do block loudness a bit this way, at very high loudness levels. You still get to have the spill to other microphones, something that for example, AC/DC tend to do; but you do also need to partially isolate the cabinets and their speakers. AC/DC do this in studios regularly (maybe not with plexi; other panels are used)

  • avatar
    solocali
    Posted at 17:10h, 24 February

    Fil I finally got my jmp sounds amazing but dry I was wondering were do you get your reverb from a pedal or studio

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 17:11h, 24 February

      Hi mate, I get my reverb from a “Plug in” of protools.
      So I put the microphones, play or record on one track where I have one or more plugins, one being in fact, a reverb.

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    Kinglance
    Posted at 16:55h, 24 February

    Wowwwwww!!! Amazing!!! That guitar-mp3 (that solo) is really blowing me away, what a great solo! And the prowler-file, that sound, so amazing!! Really great!! 10/10!! I’m having the chance to buy a 100 watt Marshall Super Bass and a 1960 BX cab with Celestions? U think I have to go for that amp?
    Greetings, J-L

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 17:02h, 24 February

      Merci JL! Well, NO. No super bass. UNLESS you want Malcolm tone. While the circuits of the SB and SL are similar, you would have to modify it to a SL to make it sound as you want. SBs have more headroom, i.e., they overdrive less and later on.

      • avatar
        Lemmiwinks
        Posted at 00:03h, 25 February

        I’ve always wondered, is it possible to change the opposite way, SL to SB?

        • avatar
          SoloDallas
          Posted at 00:11h, 25 February

          Yes it isand it’s not difficult at all (for someone who knows what he’s doing). BTW mate, I read what you wrote me on FB. Sorry to “hear” that. The only suggestion I have always known is to stop playing when I hear the “whistles” in my ears. At times, I don’t listen to any music for days to make it go away and recover.

          • avatar
            Lemmiwinks
            Posted at 00:25h, 25 February

            Ok, it has become better now. I where a little bit frightened back then. And yes, it does seem to get better by letting the ears rest for a couple of days. thanks

        • avatar
          Dries
          Posted at 00:35h, 25 February

          That’s a easy change. But keep in mind that a JCM800 bass series is a totally different circuit than a lead ( with the vert. inputs ), the lead is actually the same circuit as a late 70’s JMP.

  • avatar
    ar2619Rob
    Posted at 16:31h, 24 February

    A definite golden find, learning, learning, learning all the time. It’s like listening to the album with good headphones. More power to you!

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 17:01h, 24 February

      Thanks Rob. Too bad the site is almost a mess 😛

  • avatar
    svh366
    Posted at 15:51h, 24 February

    does anyone know which amp angus uses live nowadays??

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 16:18h, 24 February

      Yep, a few 1959s onstage and at least one JTM45 in isolation box

    • avatar
      Tyler
      Posted at 20:02h, 24 February

      Skip to 2:20. Angus doesnt confirm what model but he confirms their reissues, but once again angus appears not to really know what he uses.

      httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC1yx4TCyXM

      • avatar
        Dries
        Posted at 20:11h, 24 February

        I think indeed he doesn’t. But I think Mal does, but it likes they don’t want to give much information. The real story will stay a secret imo…

  • avatar
    svh366
    Posted at 15:44h, 24 February

    very very cool sound! it’s really stunning!!!
    I’ve ordered my Aracom today and i can’t wait to get it =)

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 16:18h, 24 February

      Congrats! It willchange the way you play fornthe better

  • avatar
    banane
    Posted at 15:25h, 24 February

    Holy shit, prowler.mp3 just sounds like I’m together with you in your lab. Now I know, what a “boxy sound” is, I believe.

    Really great, Fil. It has something similar to the BiB album, having the same feeling like sitting together with the guys in the studio.
    Did you take some photos?

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 16:20h, 24 February

      Yes but it’s too boxy though. That is due much likely to the sound bouncing off of the plexiglass and re entering the microphones. A good thing would be to insert soft panels into it as in the video shown

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        banane
        Posted at 16:35h, 24 February

        Hm, ok. Well, yes, as George said, it’s a bit too bassy, but after all it’s a great improvement. Maybe you can improvise with a blanket or so?

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 16:25h, 24 February

      PS no photos yet, son asked my come up and play, sigh 🙂

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    SGACE
    Posted at 12:38h, 24 February

    Very interesting, so these panels help for the recording process or also in the general home/room playing?
    By the way I really liked the tone of the solo guitar, it was more clear sounding.

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 12:46h, 24 February

      George,
      both. The panels will “enclose” what comes out of the cabinet (I suggest to watch the video on top) both allowing for less room dispersion and more sound control. Especially if one has a “bad sounding room”: that way the sound won’t bounce freely in the room (then re-entering microphones, canceling frequencies and so on). It will a lot more contained (can be completely contained with a well done isolation box as ClearSonic suggests) so that the microphones get more of what there is strictly coming from its speakers and inside the cabinet itself. In fact, the sound coming from the cabinet will bounce off of the plexi panels for the most. The sound will get a bit more “boxy-like” (I can hear it clearly with the headphones) but again, correct microphone positioning will help. So you put the panels, wear the headphones and go looking for new microphone spots. Fun (it really is for me) while playing the guitar. Just to make an example, Angus uses something similar when live, he has a 50 watts amp (they say it’s the JTM45) in a similar – I presume – isolation box under the stage. Also, several guitar players (Joe Bonamassa comes to mind) use it live, onstage. This allows for less onstage loudness, more control, equalization and some reverb, delays can be applied better. This is only the start for me. I think I plan on building a complete isolation box for the cabinet, a closed one, as shown in many ClearSonic image settings (at their site). Very often these are used for drums, too. Naturally, I say again, the “room sound” is almost lost entirely. Just some spill comes out. If I had my studio, with its recording room that sounded great, I may be not using this; but this room isn’t good sounding, so I am going for this solution for now 🙂

      • avatar
        SGACE
        Posted at 13:06h, 24 February

        I understand that the sound inside the panel is more focused but what about your ears? Can you enjoy the sound when your playing and I mean without headphones?

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          SoloDallas
          Posted at 13:56h, 24 February

          Nope. It’s all closed into it, you won’t enjoy it as much. But then, you can simply and easily remove the panels. I mostly play thhrough headphones George, especially for the experiments and learning 😉

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            SGACE
            Posted at 14:07h, 24 February

            Ok, I listen and listen AND listen to the solo and I am freaked out, BRAVO Fil..
            What are the settings in the 2204 and which cab did you use?

            • avatar
              SoloDallas
              Posted at 14:45h, 24 February

              Hang on Jo-Bro’, I ma making more and more positioning experiments right now. I am going to post in 5 mintues (PLEASE be here, I need your ears) two more audio files. One is the solo guitar you hear here, but “soloed” (only the solo guitar playing) and then, an attempt at “Night Prowler” (I love that song) where I tried to dial in some tone. I changed drastically the panels: before, I just had to panels forming a triangle with the cabinet (two panels on the sides meeting in front of the cabinet). Now instead I tried to put a first panel closer to the cabinet, hanging on the microphone stands (will post a pic). The other two panels try to cover the sides. The Night Prowler guitar is a higher output guitar always played on the 2204. The settings for the 2204 stayed exactly the same, what I DID change instead were the panels AND the equalization on the mixer. For recording, we must lear and understand that besides microphone positioning, the equalization in post is also important. Please hang on, loading the files now. Please note: these are just tests, nothing definitive, I am really just trying things.

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              banane
              Posted at 14:50h, 24 February

              Yes, I also listened several times, and its hard to describe, but it’s clearly better than before.

              • avatar
                SoloDallas
                Posted at 14:59h, 24 February

                Franz, with the update I did, the “media” post manager scrambled. I wanted to put the file in non-auto play mode, but couldn’t. So I had to delete it. Now I can’t re-put a quicktime media for some reason. Damn! Need time to figure out what happened. For now, no audio files sigh

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                  banane
                  Posted at 15:04h, 24 February

                  Hm, I’ll have a look, maybe I have some constructive input.

                  Would you like to upload them to the filespace? I will provide you some links to the files then, so you can at post the links here and the show can go on then 🙂

                  • avatar
                    SoloDallas
                    Posted at 15:13h, 24 February

                    I still uploaded the files, but they show up as mere links (you can click them and play them in the window that apperars) but I lost the button in the editor that let me add “media” files that were then interpreted as quicktime, flash, etc. I am sure I didn’t have to update one of the plugins that my tech guy had designed for me for this purpose. Oh well… 😛 Still guys, you can click on the links and hear it. Let me know what you think?

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                      SGACE
                      Posted at 15:30h, 24 February

                      The solo is VERY good it reminds me the beginning of the 1977 Live in Paris.. The night prowler I think the sound is too bassy, it needs more air..
                      anyway this is a excellent effort…

                    • avatar
                      SoloDallas
                      Posted at 17:12h, 24 February

                      George and Franz, added images of the panels (and of how the room looks like right now) AND I re-equalized prowler, I took some bass freqs away in the range of 100-300 hz. Should sound better now? Still boxy I mean, but in fact Franz suggested adding a blanket which is a great suggestion. Going to do now

                    • avatar
                      SGACE
                      Posted at 17:31h, 24 February

                      The prowler is improved. I put yours with the original to play at the same time, I feel that your sound is more edgy (more gainy) so I suggest to change a bit the EQ and if the presence is high to lower it. Another suggestion is to use the g12h30 cab

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                      banane
                      Posted at 18:33h, 24 February

                      Yes, I totally second George here. Less bassy, and maybe a bit too much gain. Maybe just turning preamp a bit down? Anyways, again a great tonal experience.
                      Looking forward for the blanket records.

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                      SoloDallas
                      Posted at 21:32h, 24 February

                      Yes, mine was more gainy. Too gainy. I had done it so I could play the solo too at the same time, but overdid it. George, I *am* using the G12H30s. Swapped cabs a month ago circa, been using this one for BiB, SDiF, …

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        Dries
        Posted at 13:28h, 24 February

        Here’s proof that it is certainly a JTM45. It looks like a reissue?

        [IMG]http://i51.tinypic.com/2hxty1h.jpg[/IMG]

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          banane
          Posted at 14:58h, 24 February

          I think so, at least it looks brand new. Do you also have photos from that plexi glass cage? I’ve read it on several places, but did never seen a photo from it.

        • avatar
          SoloDallas
          Posted at 15:18h, 24 February

          Had never seen it so close up. Looks new, so yes, reissue. Has anyone noticed that one can see all of the settings on it? Hehehehe. I see treble at 6 and volume at 6 too

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            Dries
            Posted at 15:27h, 24 February

            Yes! His tone controls are very ‘neutral’ imo. But I think the amps are heavily modified. Probably with KT66 tubes and the choke removed and replaced by a resistor.

            Here’s also a pic of his guitar rig. All the guitars we are familiar with are in 🙂 !

            http://i54.tinypic.com/faob69.jpg
            http://i54.tinypic.com/15yyotc.jpg

            • avatar
              banane
              Posted at 15:48h, 24 February

              But what makes you think that the amps are modified?

              • avatar
                SoloDallas
                Posted at 16:29h, 24 February

                They have stated that the amp are modded to be hotter, run hotter they said (interview).

                • avatar
                  Dries
                  Posted at 17:16h, 24 February

                  I’m studying tube amps for a little while now. And from what I’ve read, those ( especially early ) AC/DC amps have very high B+ voltages. That’s due to the removed choke.

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                  HagusYoung
                  Posted at 00:43h, 25 February

                  actually its well known that the guy building ARD amps, mods angus’ amps to. they both used ARD labeled amps at the stiff upper lip tour. And on the VH1 rehersals angus’ tone is way bigger and more saturated than what a JTM, honestly even if its the best on the planet, can do.

                  • avatar
                    banane
                    Posted at 09:01h, 25 February

                    Hm, but you can clearly see 3 Marshalls on Angus side in the videos? I’m not sure but it seems to be an early JMP and a JTM.

                    • avatar
                      HagusYoung
                      Posted at 14:21h, 26 February

                      I really cant tell, they might be vintage they might be reissues. All i can tell you is that they sure are based either on the JTM45 circuit or 1959. So there might be JMPs, old ones with the JTM case and tolex but they are 1959s (4 inputs). A few have the JTM 45 on the panel a few dont.
                      About the modifications, guys will usually say: They run hotter.
                      That’s an almost useless info for us. But you cant try it yourself. If you play a JTM, i do, you will see that on a point where you have the maximum gain the amp get very spongy and muddy. The sweet spot with the tight, clear, dynamic and aggressive tone is around 6 – 7 depending on the guitar. The rest might me a bit too hash/picky or to fat and muddy. But set to this level the “gain” for lot of the lead stuff he does is simply not enough to make it sound that big. The JMPs 2203/04 do that very good, they are not as clean as a JTM though. These amps maintain their rock bottom tone while the JTM will fall back into clean as soon as you stop pushing everything very hard (in solos/ single notes).

                    • avatar
                      banane
                      Posted at 14:28h, 26 February

                      Yeah, “they run hotter” is in fact a useless information. Seems like Ang and Mal don’t want to tell all the secrets 🙂
                      Hm, but from your explatation (thanks btw), it seems logical that they told their amp tech: “just get that spongy and mud
                      dy tone away”, so maybe thats the secret.

            • avatar
              Tyler
              Posted at 19:53h, 24 February

              Great pics man, did you get backstage?

          • avatar
            banane
            Posted at 15:34h, 24 February

            Yeah, even Presence is on 6. Bass seems to be on 8, Middle also on 6. Very interesting.

            • avatar
              SoloDallas
              Posted at 16:30h, 24 February

              See Franz? So much for Angus saying he isnt a presence guy. I think he often wont remember how he set things :p

              • avatar
                banane
                Posted at 16:56h, 24 February

                Yeah, thats funny. Maybe he don’t do the settings himself anymore. Or he doesn’t have his glasses on when doing the amp settings, hehe 🙂

  • avatar
    banane
    Posted at 11:28h, 24 February

    Looks interesting, Fil. How much louder can you go with it?

    And nice Hardware upgrade, btw 🙂 Especially video processing takes a lot of advantages from multicore cpus. Don’t forget about lots of RAM and a RAID to keep your data safe.

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 12:17h, 24 February

      Thanks Franz 🙂 Still not here, I was waiting on the console to be ready before I picked up the “monster” at the shop. This is also why I didn’t release any more videos: the iMac stopped responding properly. I realized there were too many applications running at once (the video monitoring for the video camera and protools with several plugins, namely, the Sonnox equalization and Sonnox reverb). I loaded the MacPro with 6GB of RAM for now (at the shop) while the iMac has 4 GB RAM. But it isn’t much a matter of RAM for the iMac: I saw the two cores reaching the highest level and the machine warms up so much that I can easily cook an egg on it. Regarding the db’s, I don’t know yet how much I can raise the attenuator. I could measure it (in numbers) with a foolish application I have on the iPhone 😛 But for now, the level in the room is even definitely lower than before at the same amp settings and attenuator settings. Makes me hope 🙂
      How do you like the “new” tone?

      • avatar
        banane
        Posted at 12:36h, 24 February

        Hehe, I love the MacPro. Some years ago I was head of IT in an agency, had over 40 of them to maintain. Had even small rendering farms for little fancy 3d video spots 🙂 Really good hardware. Don’t know how big your video and other data files are, but a general rule of thumb is, to have enough RAM in your workstation to keep all working data and the running programs in it.
        Yeah, the iMac is a nice office machine but hasn’t enough balls for the harder tasks. Cooling not efficient enough and such things.

        Regarding the tone, it sounds more alive, more wider than before. There’s more “room”. And again a bit more professional, its again a bit closer to a professional studio recording. I like it a lot.

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 12:20h, 24 February

      On a side note, I just “updated” wordpress and some plugins, and I am noticing that the “youtube” plug in stopped working (you can see the youtube address as not recognized). I called my tech to fix it 🙂

      • avatar
        banane
        Posted at 12:38h, 24 February

        Yeah, I noticed that and the new toolbar at the top. Nice enhancement, very handy, minimizes scrolling 🙂

        • avatar
          SoloDallas
          Posted at 12:49h, 24 February

          Youtube plugin now working again 😀

  • avatar
    Timvo
    Posted at 11:18h, 24 February

    Hello , where can we find the backing track? 🙂

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 12:13h, 24 February

      Timwo, do you want the backing track on its own, without lead? If so, I’m posting it in a while 🙂

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