14 Jan rjofig’s first solo attempt (Rock’n’roll singer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obD8_–BIRE
Renato Figueiredo
rjofig@gmail.comRenato @ Florida; I bought and started learning to play guitar about two years ago, a bit late in life (I am 39). Still a beginner, but motivated and inspired by Fil and other 'bedroom rockers'. I've been posting a few videos here and sound bites on soundcloud, as sort of a logbook with snippets of how my playing (hopefully) evolves, and it may help inspire others who love music to take an instrument, practice, play, and have fun. To contact me by email, my gmail.com username is the same as my username here.
frankjoss
Posted at 23:41h, 06 MayHi Renato Back again
I’ve just been down in the Bat cave trying to get down RnRS by ear. The rythm came quickly (it’s not one of their hardest ) but I’ve come back up to take a look at your fingering for the solo parts. As we seem to be at the same stage in our journey I thought that asking you would be interesting for both of us. Nothing like having to explain something to someone. There’s a hell of a lot of small quarter bends half bends to my ears. Do you think Angus frets one step lower to be able to bend up to the right note? How did you pick up the solos ? (a part from hard work I mean) I’m hungry for advice feed me please it’s not even midnight yet
Thanks for anything you can throw through the bars of my cage
Frank
rjofig
Posted at 01:06h, 07 MayHey Frank,
If I remember correctly, in this song the guitars are tuned down half a step – EbAbDb etc – or maybe a quarter-step down. Are you using standard tuning?
I really don’t know if I got the notes and fingering right, but it sounded close at least to my ears. I use the slow-down tempo of guitar rig to help transcribe the solos, and play along with it to see if I get the pitch right. That and the use of pentatonic boxes is usually enough to get most of it right.
I can try to record a slowed-down version of my transcription this weekend, if it helps.
Cheers!
Renato
ar2619Rob
Posted at 14:50h, 14 JanuaryYou are improving fast Rena, it’s shows that you are practising hard. For third finger vibrato put the first three fingers on the string, you’ll have more control and your wrist will then do the work for you. Also try the little finger with all four fingers down as Angus does this often, probably cos he has small hands π
rjofig
Posted at 15:09h, 14 JanuaryThanks, Rob!
I don’t think I ever tried vibrato with all four fingers down (pinky still remains the least developed of the gang π
For bends, I use three fingers as much as possible; I assume this is the usual way most people go about it? I have a real hard time with positioning the hand and doing bend-vibrato using 3 fingers when it gets to the last fret (I used the 2nd finger at the end of the second solo here), need more practice there.
Cheers, and congrats on the new amp! Shoot a new video π
banane
Posted at 15:21h, 14 JanuaryThought that too, Rob, what about a new version of that great High Voltage performance with the 2204? π
ar2619Rob
Posted at 15:34h, 14 JanuaryI’ve got a few covers in mind that I’ve been keeping back cos I have been determined to get one of these (ever since Fil gave me a subliminal injection of G.A.S through the JMP test videos). I’m hoping I can get the feedback now to do Live Wire properly. I haven’t been able to get a cab so far (I wan’t a 100w with Greenbacks) as most seem to be collection only, if I can’t get one soon I can see me digging deep for a new 1960AX. Can’t just look at the amp can I? ‘She who must be obeyed’ is away soon on a training course so I’m planning on sneeking one in then and telling her I’ve had it ages! Women, like a deck of cards, at first all you need is two hearts and a diamond, as the years go by you’ll wish you had a f@*ing club and a spade π
Ant
Posted at 15:43h, 14 Januarylol @ desk of cards
banane
Posted at 15:46h, 14 JanuaryHehe, yes, Fil is also “guilty” for making me buying my 2204. Never won’t give it away π And just looking at the amp without being able to play over it would be pure pain.
Oh and well, similar situation with “her” here when it comes to new gear π
rjofig
Posted at 19:33h, 14 JanuaryA lesser known advantage of vintage gear, you can potentially get by claiming you’ve had it for ages π
banane
Posted at 19:40h, 14 JanuaryMuahaha, right, too bad I hadn’t this idea. “Honey, look what I found in the basement!” π
rjofig
Posted at 05:39h, 18 JanuaryLive Wire – fine choice to debut your new gear going live π There’s a solo I’m looking forward to be able to play one day. Cheers
ar2619Rob
Posted at 15:22h, 14 JanuaryIn case I’ve not been clear about the fingers. I don’t mean one finger per fret, what I do mean is after your third (or 2nd or 4th) finger is planted on the note back it up with the others closed together as a group. Fingers on the headstock side of the note don’t effect the note that you’re playing do they. It does take a long, long time but persist and it’ll come natural to you eventually. Gotta have good technique.
New amp kept me awake last night waiting for a reply, gonna keep every one else awake when it comes, lol
rjofig
Posted at 15:30h, 14 JanuaryYup, that’s what I try to do; I guess bringing them very close together as a group as you say is the insight to keep in mind here. Thanks, mate!
Ant
Posted at 14:07h, 14 JanuaryCool!
I can definatly see your feeling is getting to the guitar π
only tip i cant give is when you do the vibratos try twisting the wrist instead of pulling and pushing the string if the makes sence lol
will try and find a good example π
Ant
rjofig
Posted at 14:36h, 14 JanuaryThanks, Ant!
The bend vibratos I try to always the wrist, still getting the hang of it. On the basic vibrato I kind of feel more comfortable doing it with the up and down movement. I have to force myself to try using the wrist as well there.
Fil at some point mentioned he was going to do a tutorial just on vibratos, I’m looking forward to that! *nudge nudge, wink wink*
Cheers
Ant
Posted at 15:27h, 14 JanuaryThink i will hold off then looking for an example π
Keep it up cant wait to see more
π
rjofig
Posted at 16:34h, 14 JanuaryDidn’t mean to discourage you from finding an example π I’ll keep it up, thanks for the encouragement!
Ant
Posted at 19:53h, 14 Januaryits fine im sure fil can do as good a job as anyone π
Devil'Fingers"
Posted at 12:59h, 14 JanuaryHey Renato,
I’m really impressed by your playing, really. And I think it’s Epi G400, isn’t it? π I got same one. You’ ve got big talent!!
And I struggle with vibrato a LOT, but the best is to train while playing song, it becomes natural after some time. Keep practice, practice and practice and you will achieve a lot, I’m sure!!!!
PaweΕ
rjofig
Posted at 14:30h, 14 JanuaryThanks for the kind words, Pawel!
Yup, it’s a G-400 and Guitar Rig 4 here; my recommended gear for the wannabe bedroom rocker on a budget π
I think talent is more about passion and practice π And vibratos need a lot of practice π
Cheers!
banane
Posted at 08:11h, 14 JanuaryHey Renato, thats really good! You’re developing a good vibrato, you’ve gone along very good with the rhythm and it sounds pretty close to the original.
Great playing, I’m thrilled! π
rjofig
Posted at 12:29h, 14 JanuaryThanks, Franz! Yeah, vibratos need to become second nature π In other takes I got better vibratos here and there, and worse ones here and there too – consistently getting everything in place is pretty tough; it’s a long way indeed. Cheers!
Hyce777
Posted at 07:18h, 14 JanuarySounds pretty good mate. Don’t worry about those fast runs yet. Just lock in the feel, the groove, work on perfecting the bends and vibrato. Get the feel, and then the speed comes later. I learned how to solo by studying Angus’ solos for licks, and implemented them into the pentatonic minor scale. That’s what I recommend, but whatever works for you works. You’ve got most of the notes down pretty well, more than I know on this one! Hehe.
rjofig
Posted at 12:20h, 14 JanuaryThanks, Hyce – I hear you, focusing on timing/feel, bends and vibratos before speed has sort of been my overall approach, so that’s good to hear π Thanks for the feedback! Cheers
rjofig
Posted at 07:05h, 14 JanuaryWell, in reality, *many* attempts before getting here.
In the second solo there’s the lick that I just can’t do yet at this tempo, and some missing notes on the second solo. But, I tried to get a good close-up on the fingers, so any feedback from the more experienced players on technique would be really great!
It’s fun playing this π