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The Definitive “Back in Black” featuring an original Schaffer-Vega Diversity System (UPDATED!)

30 Sep The Definitive “Back in Black” featuring an original Schaffer-Vega Diversity System (UPDATED!)

BREAKING NEWS!

Well, I was talking over the phone with my long time Italian-Canadian friend “Max” (he’s a member here too). Max has lived for decades with a 1959 replacing his own heart.

πŸ˜›

Well you get the picture. Max told me “Fil, nice, but something still isn’t 100% right”. I knew this, I even wrote it down here, but I still couldn’t figure out why.

He told me the same old story: “Fil, take out stuff, as much as you can, no plugins, nothing. The sound HAS to happen with microphone, guitar and amplifier”.

He hadn’t implied that the SVDS shouldn’t be used, he just made sure I – once again – would understand that no equalizer in the world would work. Especially me having all the right gear – the very same actually likely used on that album, even including the microphone – I should be able to get it identical, without strange elements inside (talking about unwanted/excessΒ frequencies).

I had told him about the scooped mids thing, he asked what mids setting I was using on the amp and told me flat out “screw it Fil”. Laughs.

So the idea came to me that I should try without the SVDS (but WITH and ON the Celestions G12-65). Because in fact, the SVDS is a terrific clean boost with lots of mids!

And so, this very late afternoon I did.

And boy, there. Angus’ rhythm guitar was a 100% match, no things to take out with eq, nothing. Just guitar at 8, guitar TONE at 6, no SVDS on rhythm, G12-65s and a 1959 and it’s there. I was basically adding mids (SVDS) and then trying to take them out both at the amp settings AND a LOT with the post EQUALIZATION.

This one – SG, 1959 and G12-65s – Β was basically the ONLY combination I hadn’t tried; in fact, right when I installed the G12-65s the other day it came to me instinctively to put the SVDS on. I always play with the SVDS on now, I just can’t take it off lol.

Isn’t it always the same story? Don’t we end up finding what we wanted just at our latest attempt? Just like when you have several keys in your hand and only the last one is the right one! Damn!

Anyway. Will do shortly another video with the SVDS played only on solos and post it right here. So it will all stay documented (laughs).

To summarize shortly what I think happened likely on the WHOLE Back in Black album, Angus’ parts:

– Angus played rhythm without SVDS WITH the band, live takes. This rhythm guitar is always – or almost always presumably – on the right side of the stereo position.

– Angus overdubbed rhythm (center rhythm guitar WITH the SVDS)

– Angus overdubbed the solos WITH the SVDS

Β As you heard already in my latest video below, it is not SUCH a massive difference with or without the SVDS. Plus I love having the SVDS on at all times.

But for the sake of accuracy, truth and documentation, I wanted to make sure the community knew this :)

End of Update

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It’s a long story, and some of you followed me for a few years. So you know already.

I am not going to write it all from the beginning, also because everything has been documented here (luckily). So I’ll get straight to the point: it was The Schaffer-Vega Diversity System.

AND it was Celestions G12-65s. On Back in Black, that is. Someone had already thought about it – our own George aka SGAce (thank you George!).

So after months and months of trying in all possible ways – recently also with assorted Cetec-Vegas and eventually with an Original, Beloved Schaffer-Vega Diversity – also with an original Neumann U67 and hundreds of equalization curves tried, the last thing to try was those damn Celestions G12-65s.

I had bought an old couple (1979) last June, but hadn’t installed them yet. All of a sudden, days ago I rushed to put them in into an old 1971 cabinet. It now has two G12H30s and two G12-65s.

I didn’t put them crossed, just two on top (the G12H30s) and two on the bottom (G12-65s). I just wanted to have the chance to record easily choosing the type of speakers.

So I did, and it was definitely the missing, last link. Now, I don’t intend to say that my sound is identical 100% to Angus’ on that record. That record is still amazingly a work of art; almost un-replicable.

However, I really wanted to get as close as possible and after many, many attempts, this version is my definitive last one. I don’t think anything remains from being discovered, at least for this song.

So my findings (Angus only) are as follows:

 

Amplifiers used: Marshall 1959, both rhythm AND solo

Cabinet: at least one with G12-65s inside

Guitar: one of his Gibson SGs (or more).

What I used: my 1976 Marshall 1959 with an Aracom DAG Attenuator (what an amazing piece of gear that is).

One non-slanted cabinet with G12-65s in the bottom (see below for microphone position)

One single microphone used: Neumann U67 (Platt used two: an U67 and an U87).

For rhythm, a recently purchased Gibson SG Standard from 1968 (correct date). Vibrola removed (prior to my purchase). All original.

For solos, a 1971 Gibson SG Custom, all original.

A Schaffer-Vega Diversity System (SVDS). A video documentary on the Schaffer-Vega DIversity system will follow shortly.

Please watch the video if you made it reading thus far; will continue right below. Β While you’re at it, check the VU meter on the SVDS. And enjoy yourself :)

As you saw, the SVDS is made of a Transmitter (TX: the cream colored box attached to the front of my strap) and a Recevier (RX: friendly called by Mr. Schaffer himself “The Titanic”, as only these remain).

The TX sends the guitar signal after some cool audio processing (compression mainly, but not only) to the RX, which expands the compressed signal of some amount and then outputs the signal to the amplifier.

These were used both for microphones (Mick Jagger comes to mind) and guitar (countless guitar players among which, Angus Young).

Now, there are two outputs: one XLR output that was meant to simulate the cable (i.e., un-boosted signal but compressed) and an optionally boosted signal (front of the panel: Monitor Out with its own Volume to clean-boost), still compressed.

I used the latter output here, as I have been doing for quite a while since I found out. Not only it does clean boosts, but it also add some nice, strong mid range to the tone, particularly desirable on tube guitar amplifiers such as these very Marshalls.

So I did, and you hear the results.

Now, Back in Black though has a particular tonal characteristic that had eluded me for quite a while (all my life really, until recently): it is mid-scooped! That means, that the mids were literally “carved” i.e., they had been taken largely out of the EQ to make room for vocals, drums, etc.

I had never realized this so clearly until I worked AGAIN night and day on this. With all the right equipment now, I wouldn’t tolerate not getting at least in the credible sonic ballpark as the original.

So I worked and worked. Played with amplifier settings; moved microphone; played and recorded; added Equalization in post; and so on and forth.

I must have made hundreds of takes. Especially since I really realized that a specific, careful and almost unique microphone placement had to be the only way. So you place the mike carefully as you play some with the headphones (if you do it yourself and in the same room), then recorded, apply EQ and then realize it is off.

So you start all over.

I did this for I don’t know how long. And finally, I got content of what you heard is.

It is still not 100% dead on; Angus’ guitar has a sort peculiar character to it that I woud describe as “velvet” HMF (High Mid Freqs). Amazing taste on Mr. Platt’s and Mr. Lange’s part.

Maybe the joint use of an U87 would help out here, but I am content with this for now.

Because mostly it served to really prove down to 100% certainty that it was the SVDS in conjunction with all the other equipment to make it work. And this is what I wanted (besides the personal satisfaction of hearing a 98% correct tone while playing and listening back to it).

So the amplifier settings to mess around are as follows:

 

Presence: 0

Bass: 2

Mids: 2

Treble: 4

Volume 7 (rhythm) and Volume 10 (Solo).

Please keep in mind that this settings thing is really only worth it when recording. The microphone will capture the frequencies in a different way than our ears: additionally, the EQ one adds later will emphasize certain aspects and get rid of others. Such as in this case here.

Please see these few pics for microphone placement for this song:

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Please note: article in progress.

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250 Comments
  • avatar
    SoloBakersfield
    Posted at 19:55h, 02 October

    Fil that video I posted earlier just goes to show that gear matters to a certain extent but its really about how you play. that guy on the youtube video was off on timing and messed up on the solo but had good gear haha I bet you put Angus on a Class 5 and he will still play and sound bad ass

  • avatar
    adam10603
    Posted at 19:32h, 02 October

    I just wondered what was it like to have Angus himself here on the site as a member… πŸ˜€ Like one day, someone would write a comment:
    Hello guys, Angus here
    haha. wouldn’t that be cool? πŸ˜›

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 19:37h, 02 October

      It would. But none of us would believe it, and we’ tell him to f**k off right away. To begin with! He’d have to work hard for us to believe. I’d check IP provenance etc. Not an easy task for him even if he really wanted to! But I don’t think he’s an internet guy πŸ˜‰

    • avatar
      banane
      Posted at 19:40h, 02 October

      Yes, indeed :) Hopefully the server won’t get overloaded then :)

    • avatar
      Dave4433
      Posted at 19:54h, 02 October

      First thing I’d do would be ask him if he still has his SVDS and what’s the serial number on that one (if there is one ? Fil?) Then I’d like to see a collab video of him and Fil (not even in Fils wildest dreams, hehe πŸ˜€ )

    • avatar
      depuis1899
      Posted at 19:55h, 02 October

      Angus here, that would be crazy, but like Fil said, he is very simple, so I don’t think he is often on the net πŸ˜‰

      • avatar
        jubaluba
        Posted at 21:28h, 02 October

        He said in an interview that he got hooked on jigsaw puzzles after the Black Ice tour.

  • avatar
    OldSchoolRocker666
    Posted at 11:23h, 02 October

    What is overdubbing? :)

    • avatar
      Dave4433
      Posted at 14:00h, 02 October

      I believe it’s recording a part (guitar, drums, bass, vocals etc.) and then recording a part and placing it over previously recorded part so You hear both (or more) parts in the final track.

    • avatar
      adam10603
      Posted at 16:37h, 02 October

      When you record a song with all the instruments playing in the same time (as AC/DC does), and THEN record a solo or something OVER the previously recorded song πŸ˜›

  • avatar
    Roman
    Posted at 10:31h, 02 October

    Excellent fucking job ( insert hand clapping smiley)

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 10:36h, 02 October

      Roman!!! You came to visit! SO Happy. How’s the beautiful baby daughter doing? Hugs, Fil :)

      • avatar
        Roman
        Posted at 10:38h, 02 October

        Hi Fil, yeah, I come out to visit every now and again.
        I must say you nailed this one!!

        The little one recently turned one year old, is running around, is mischievous and is getting to be more fun every day.
        Yours??

        • avatar
          SoloDallas
          Posted at 10:41h, 02 October

          Hahaha. That little one :) Mine SAME as yours. Turned one year old one day after yours, now trying to move the first steps and smashes herself dramatically on the floor. Moving, touching and fun at the same time lol A Big tight hug to Rist Family! :)

          • avatar
            Roman
            Posted at 10:45h, 02 October

            Ha Ha. Yes, in the early stages of walking it is a nightmare for the father. We have no carpet either, just hard floors……….Fun Fun Fun!

            All the best, I’m off to bed. Cheers!

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 10:37h, 02 October

      PS Ladies & Gentlemen, we have here an Historical (in the sense of Great, Superb, Knowledgeable, Gentleman and add more) Luthier here. Roman. He’s a TOP CLASS ACT.

      • avatar
        banane
        Posted at 10:39h, 02 October

        Hello Roman, and welcome here! :)

      • avatar
        Roman
        Posted at 10:41h, 02 October

        Thank you. (takes bow)

        • avatar
          SoloDallas
          Posted at 10:44h, 02 October

          ATTENTION US Members: IF I could recommend ONE single Luthier, that would be Mr. Roman Rist. You can find him HERE: http://ristguitars.com/

          Please add this address to your bookmark. Thank you, The SoloDallas.net team πŸ˜€

  • avatar
    SoloBakersfield
    Posted at 07:32h, 02 October

    Fil I ran across this video on you tube they found pretty good Angus Tone but not so good playing but its worth watching tell me what you think heres the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYgi2LdrJK0

    • avatar
      SoloBakersfield
      Posted at 07:43h, 02 October

      its funny when he trys to play the lead

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 09:47h, 02 October

      Yes mate, they were featured also here at sd.net but weren’t very much welcome here. I find this comment id good (youtube) “The equipment couldn’t be better. But the tone you get is bad IMHO. I don’t know why… maybe you should try different mics and mic positions.ο»Ώ Try a large diaphragm condenser mic.
      Your final recording sounds like something is blown, or overloaded in your recording chain.”. And additionally, it was G12-65s :) I personally like those guys!

  • avatar
    SoloBakersfield
    Posted at 01:36h, 02 October

    thnx for all the help, this is probably going to sound stupid but what are SVDs ? and what is the best cabnet for AC/DC? because im thinking about changing my 1960a cab. do cabs and tubes have a big effect on tone?

    • avatar
      SoloBakersfield
      Posted at 01:51h, 02 October

      thnx for all the help, Never mind about the first question SVDs stands for shaffer vega diversity system which was Angus*s wireless right

  • avatar
    RiffRaff
    Posted at 01:13h, 02 October

    Im thinking of putting Angus Youngs signature pickup in my Gibson SG Standard. I wonder if it’s worth it or not, can you hear any difference? I mean, they’re pretty cheap too, around 100 euros.
    I use Guitar Rig 4 as amp.

    • avatar
      banane
      Posted at 01:16h, 02 October

      Yes, it’s worth it. Did the change in my 2009 SG standard. Much better match for Angus’ tone than the 490T.

      • avatar
        RiffRaff
        Posted at 01:18h, 02 October

        Alright. I think i’ll go for it. I won’t change the pickup myself though, don’t know a shit about that. I know there are tutorials on how to do it, but I don’t wanna risk to fuck up anything, haha.

        • avatar
          banane
          Posted at 01:23h, 02 October

          Oh, its not difficult, but you should know how to work with a soldering iron :) If you don’t better let someone else do it, yes.This guy is also a good address for a custom pickup: http://www.highorderpickups.com/
          Can make pickups right to your own specs.

  • avatar
    Guitarjosii
    Posted at 23:08h, 01 October

    Mission ‘BIB-sound’ successful.
    Next project: Get the Powerage-Sound? :-)

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 23:18h, 01 October

      lol yes. Listening to Powerage daily here. I think Powerage is easier though. We know for sure that they were 2203s in there. I think 2203s on – mostly – G12Ms. But naturally, I have to “prove it” πŸ˜‰

      • avatar
        Dave4433
        Posted at 23:30h, 01 October

        “What we say will be forgotten tomorrow.
        What we do to prove those words wili be remembered for centuries to come”

  • avatar
    rockn roll man
    Posted at 18:45h, 01 October

    How much will the two type of Replica cost (about)?
    write to me soon
    your SVDS fan

    • avatar
      banane
      Posted at 18:50h, 01 October

      Less than an original Schaffer-Vega πŸ˜€ But well, we don’t know it yet. We will have prototypes shortly, then we’ll have to check the production costs.

      Please read also what Fil said in the comments here regarding the replica.

  • avatar
    Thundersnook
    Posted at 18:37h, 01 October

    Fil what are you doing?! xD I remember some vids ago that everyone, me included was sure that these videos cant be done better. In terms of tone and playing … but with this you taught us that it could! xD

    To this video I would say: THATS IT! Its THE tone and THE style of playing It cant be better! … but I’m sure with the next video, you show me/us an even better one! xD

    Greetings Fil! Grandmaster Of Tone!!

  • avatar
    Neurotic Nick
    Posted at 17:41h, 01 October

    AMAZING!!! YOU NAILED IT!

  • avatar
    Kinglance
    Posted at 16:42h, 01 October

    Hey Fil!! Amazing efforts u are doing!! U are the king of this community!! Your Marshall SLP 1959 is that an original one or a replica? I read on Wikipedia that Angus uses a replica, I don’t know if this is correct? Would there be a lot of difference between an original one and a replica? Grtz!! J-L

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 16:59h, 01 October

      Merci JL! Monsieur, I’ll gladly let you be the King. I’d rather think of myself as one “catalyzer” of this community. An “Archeologist” of classic rock. A Tone Chaser. A blogger, too?
      The 1959 I used in this video is an original, 1976 untouched model. A “run of the mill” 1959 of the mid seventies.
      To my own knowledge, Angus used originals back then (maybe even modified ones, though likely not that early).
      Angus started using replicas more recently. Particularly, Angus (and Malcolm) use Wizards Amplifiers. These are not intended to be exact replicas of 1959 (or other models) Marshalls. The Wizards amps are what has come out of Mr. Rick St. Pierre – AC/DC current amplifier technician – been for the last 25 years! – after both the Young brothers had consistently asked Mr. St. Pierre to modify some original Marshalls of theirs. So the WIzard is actually a “hotter” Model 1959 with some additional “improvements & modifications”. We, at SoloDallas, will review a few of these models in the near future. Directly from the hands of Mr. St Pierre. Fil :)

      • avatar
        Dave4433
        Posted at 18:01h, 01 October

        I see what You’re trying to do here. You’re trying to get all the people who had ever worked with AC/DC to work to You (lol!)
        (First it’s Mr.Ken Shaffer, Mr. St Pierre’s next and then who ? Tony Platt?) Why not just ask the band to join in too while You’re at it πŸ˜€

        • avatar
          AngusRudd1019
          Posted at 18:56h, 01 October

          if Fil gets the band on here, I will crap myself

        • avatar
          SoloDallas
          Posted at 19:37h, 01 October

          Dave: LOL. Who knows… (blinka-winka)

      • avatar
        Angusrocks
        Posted at 11:47h, 02 October

        Wow Fil, this is a really good message !!!
        I`m very interersted in these Wizard amps. Amps built by the ACDCtechnian himself with ACDCspecs is always very interesting !!

  • avatar
    RiffRaff
    Posted at 13:54h, 01 October

    Amazing.
    Now im looking forward to some tutorials and to learn some of the licks you usually use. That’s one of the mainreasons why I joined this community :)

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 17:00h, 01 October

      All of this and then more, I’ll deliver to you.

      • avatar
        Dave4433
        Posted at 18:07h, 01 October

        I believe You and I trust You, Fil. You indeed are a man of Your word and You’ve proven it and are yet to prove it an x amount of times more.

        Time is now our biggest tormentor as we await the great things ahead of us with thrill and excitement =)

  • avatar
    depuis1899
    Posted at 09:25h, 01 October

    I thought Angus used the SVDS all the time, not only for solos…
    Something interesting again :)

    Btw Fil, you said the Replica won’t be expensive…I tried a pedal a few days ago, a Wampler Plexidrive…and it was really amazing, but the price too…(205€)
    And I’m excited for the Replica to come out, you think it will be around that price, or even less?
    I need a kind of boost and even just something to get a little cleancrunchy on my amp for bluesstuff etc :)

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 10:18h, 01 October

      Well he did live, for example. And likely, he DID use it in the studio also for some rhythm tracks (I am listening more and more to “For Thos About To Rock” and to me it sounds like the whole album was played with the SVDS on every part!). We will find out for sure. And this time, by saying “we” I am implying you guys too. Once the replica will be out, you too will be able to experiment with it just like with the real thing. Therefore, you will be able to uncover exactly where was used or not used!
      There will be two models (I’m uncovering too much detail here!!! lol).
      A “special” one with the looks of the original one (Black box) which will be signed by Mr. Schaffer himself. Will be more expensive. And another model, likely a stomp box, a lot cheaper. SAME EXACT AUDIO circuitry, SAME SOUND. But one very similar looking to the original product, the other not.

      Here. Happy now? πŸ˜‰

      • avatar
        depuis1899
        Posted at 10:32h, 01 October

        I listened to ” For Those About To Rock” a few days ago and had the same impression, more gain, and I guess for ” Blow Up Your Video ” too.

        Hehe Fil, thanks πŸ˜›
        Now I’ll try to be patient, but won’t be easy …
        Ahhhrg, I’m too excited now…
        I won’t buy that Wampler pedal, will wait for the Replica :)

        • avatar
          SoloDallas
          Posted at 10:36h, 01 October

          You know I have been conservative (i.e., careful) for all this time. Now I am telling you straight: SAVE your money. THIS will be the gadget to bring to you 100% faithful “golden era” AC/DC tone. And several other Rock tones of that era, too. Not limited to AC/DC only!
          You are excited? *I* am excited. Been waiting all my life for something like this.

          Fil πŸ˜‰

          • avatar
            depuis1899
            Posted at 10:39h, 01 October

            Oh yeah, I’m sure you’re quite excited Fil… all these years you were searching, trying, and I’m really happy for you that you got almost to the final point πŸ˜‰

            I’ll save the money, don’t worry :), just have to convince my father to buy one as soon as it comes out lol

            • avatar
              AngusRudd1019
              Posted at 19:00h, 01 October

              will the one that is signed by Mr. Schaffer be wireless?

              • avatar
                banane
                Posted at 19:05h, 01 October

                No, no wireless in the replica. If you need a wireless, I would use a neutral (digital) wireless additionally.

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                  AngusRudd1019
                  Posted at 06:12h, 02 October

                  what do you mean by digital wireless additionally?

                  run the wireless into the SVDS Replica, and then into the amp?

                  • avatar
                    SoloDallas
                    Posted at 10:13h, 02 October

                    Use the SVDS Replica just like a stomp box.

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                      AngusRudd1019
                      Posted at 17:10h, 02 October

                      I’ll just need go corded with my tribute band and have the stomp box off stage. Angus played with a cord through the Bon Era plenty of times πŸ˜€ it will just sound like I’m playing through the SVDS πŸ˜€

      • avatar
        adam10603
        Posted at 11:58h, 01 October

        How did you do the bold text? πŸ˜€

        • avatar
          banane
          Posted at 12:36h, 01 October

          Just put your text between *asterisks*, I believe.
          (comment sent the kids corner of a big shoe store. shopping tours, sigh)

          • avatar
            banane
            Posted at 13:06h, 01 October

            Ok, no asterisks. Don’t know then :)

      • avatar
        adam10603
        Posted at 18:34h, 01 October

        OMG Fil πŸ˜€ good news! I can’t wait for it πŸ˜›

  • avatar
    SoloBakersfield
    Posted at 02:03h, 01 October

    Fil I need your help, I want to get some back up tubes for my jmp 2204 and I never changed tubes before, what kind of groove tubes should I get and what about the pre amp tubes ? and how should I tell the guy to biase it? sorry for all the questions Im new at changing tubes

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 10:24h, 01 October

      Mate, groove tubes for now (others please chime in help this fellow brother?). You MUST havr the amp biased by a professional tech :)

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        Angusrocks
        Posted at 10:59h, 01 October

        a few years ago i sent an e-mail to Groove Tubes with the question of what kind of tubes ACDC are using.
        They responsed : 4 E34ls Gold Series and
        3 ax7 pre amp tubes, Gold Series as well !

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          SoloDallas
          Posted at 11:04h, 01 October

          DANKE for this!

          • avatar
            Angusrocks
            Posted at 11:31h, 01 October

            you`re welcome :-)
            What they also wrote was :
            What a great bunch to work with !!!

            • avatar
              OldSchoolRocker666
              Posted at 12:29h, 01 October

              I’d imagine! :)

              But isn’t that for newer albums and such, is there no information what tubes and brands they used in past?

              • avatar
                Angusrocks
                Posted at 13:29h, 01 October

                mmmhhh…..no idea :-(

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    LedSabbath
    Posted at 00:38h, 01 October

    os the volume given that of the guitar or the amp?

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 10:25h, 01 October

      7-8 ish on the guitar; guitar TONE KNOB 5! Forgot to mention in the article, sorry will add it up.

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    OldSchoolRocker666
    Posted at 00:35h, 01 October

    Fil of some reasons is there another ”Solodallas” visable on the screen showing the people online last 5 minutes on the main page :/

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      SoloDallas
      Posted at 10:26h, 01 October

      Huh?

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        OldSchoolRocker666
        Posted at 19:29h, 02 October

        Oh never mind, yesterday for some reason there was a ”twin” of you on the main page, one with the name Solodallas just like you.

        In the members online square underneath the Lates Updates i mean. It was two Solodallas for some reason :/

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    adam10603
    Posted at 22:20h, 30 September

    BTW Fil, why did you mic the amp in a way that the pictures show? Why didn’t you just went close, or a few-inch miking? This is almost like a room mic.
    Or are the pictures showing a different setup?

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      banane
      Posted at 22:37h, 30 September

      Well, to capture a part of the room sound too, to make the sound “wider” and get the right sound for this song. At least I believe so. Makes a lot difference. Mic placement is real rocket science.
      I did a few test recordings with several mic distances with a Shure PG 27 condenser mic. Can post links if interested.

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 22:44h, 30 September

      Because I tried it all πŸ˜€ Foolishly, I thought that that distance would make the cabinet breathe; I was wrong. What you see IS the setup used to record, exactly that. Distances actually are: 53cms from the mike membrane to the screw driver bit that goes inside the cab (centre of cone). Mike distance from right speaker/grill cloth is 33 cm. I thought I was “cool” doing such distances, only to find out later (I always learn my lessons though lol) that it was not needed. LOL πŸ˜›

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    Dries
    Posted at 20:16h, 30 September

    Wow. teriffic.

    I’m so hard waiting on the SV replica. I’m soooo hoping it ‘ll sound good. First one to buy and test :)

    In this bootleg, you can really hear the SV doing his work on angus’ intro solo. ( wow what a roaring A-chord )

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eswj1ao4Ld8&feature=related

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      SoloDallas
      Posted at 22:46h, 30 September

      Mate, the replica will sound EXACTLY like the SVDS. This, or no replica will exist (not from me). It MUST SOUND THE EXACT SAME or no replica. This is the the very basis. I WILL ONLY SELL A REPLICA of the SVDS IF IT IS IDENTICAL (and we’re sourcing the very same components, so it should be πŸ˜€ ).

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        Dries
        Posted at 00:17h, 01 October

        Well, I’m really excited to get that sound. Really, respect mate for all that great work you did here and for setting up the backwards engineering plan of the SVDS.
        Tried almost everything now to get that hollow, compressed and saturated sound, but… nothing came close.

        Can’t wait to perform live with the replica. Now it makes all sense, the sound just has to be right from the source, what you can hear come of of the cab. Then just put a simple dynamic E906 mic in front of it and voila ! Great sound trough the pa speakers, without expensive mics.

        http://i53.tinypic.com/a9kzgp.jpg

        PS: do we see small cone centers on this miced speaker? That can be a 25 Watter? But they certainly used simple mics live. Sometimes even a sm58 like ( vocal mic ) on the cabs.

        http://i55.tinypic.com/2q33pyr.jpg

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      SoloDallas
      Posted at 22:49h, 30 September

      Fantastic! YES, THAT is how the SVDS sounds. On a 2203 πŸ˜€
      EDIT: Not sure 100% it is a 2203. With the SVDS, you’re never sure 100% lol. What I AM sure of though, is the SVDS.
      You hear it because it is a “tougher, ROUNDER sound”. Not harsh ever. It’s gorgeous. It’s my sound :)

  • avatar
    kg_fenderbender
    Posted at 19:50h, 30 September

    for those about to rock……………… FIL SALUTES YOU!!!! πŸ˜‰

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