17 Jan Some Originals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8km1lRZQ3s&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8km1lRZQ3s&feature=youtu.be
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Atomic'76
Posted at 18:25h, 18 JanuaryAre all of those mics going into a mixer and then out into a single input on your fast track? Maybe you were just overloading that input with signal and it was clipping? I know when I’m not paying attention and I “redline” mine it sounds crackly and distorted. Did you switch the mics around for the second song because I noticed a definite improvement in sound quality to the first. By the way I like the tunes, they definitely have potential! 🙂
AngusRudd1019
Posted at 05:15h, 19 Januaryboth songs have different preamp levels but the same mic setup is used. Thanks for liking them. I’m going to try something this weekend and to try and clean it up.
AngusRudd1019
Posted at 05:18h, 19 JanuaryI plan on paying special attention to the levels and I’m going to attempt a much more basic micing technique. Unfortunately I don’t have any large diaphragm mics so I have to stick with my might Shures. I really want to clean up the first song though because I love playing that riff and solo.It’s kind of like my Rocker mixed with the If You Want Blood riff.
Atomic'76
Posted at 21:23h, 19 JanuaryI’m no sound engineer and still experimenting myself but maybe you could try with just one mic at like a foot or so away from the cab. It sounds a bit different than stuck right against the grill cloth and you may pick up a little extra “ambiance” that way. Thing is in a way your micing the room you’re in. Sounds dumb but I have noticed that if I plug in and play somewhere and leave all the knobs in the same position and go play somewhere else it sounds different because of the acoustics of the room I am playing in or the number of people that are in the room. That’s why you can’t always rely on one EQ setting on your amp for all occasions. It might sound great in one spot and dull or shitty somewhere else which brings me to my point that you may want to take these sorts of variables into consideration when placing microphones around the room. I think that within reason there is no real right or wrong way to do this only the ways that have worked well in the past and the ways people will try that end up working for them in the future. Also, you don’t need a $2000-$4000 neumann mic to have a decent home recording. As far as I’ve read the SM57 has been a studio standard for over 30 years now. Seriously, just try something, set the input level on your Fast Track so it isn’t clipping, record for 30 seconds or so and listen to it and try different stuff. All of a sudden you might find a sweet spot that you really like.
AngusRudd1019
Posted at 23:14h, 19 JanuaryDo I point the mic at a certain speaker or at an angle or just point it straight and right at the middle of the cab?
I’m going to do a couple things and I’m going to record it all and then make and video and you guys can listen.
Atomic'76
Posted at 01:01h, 20 JanuaryWhy not try different positions and see which one you think sounds best. You can try different angles and distances to see how they sound. Some will most likely sound better or at least different than others. Also when your mic is close to the speaker it will probably sound different if it is closer to the edge than to the middle. Some people have even put microphones BEHIND their cabs or inside their semi closed back cabs! One time when practicing with the band I was in we wanted to record our jam but only had one SM58 mic. Everywhere we stuck it in the room either I sounded too loud or the drums or the bass or singer. We ended up sticking it in a filing cabinet! lol Somehow, we ended up with a more or less balanced sound although crappy in comparison to having everything miced individually. I guess my point is that anything is worth trying out to see how it might sound. 🙂 I look forward to hearing what you come up with for sounds and how you achieved them!
Dries
Posted at 09:52h, 18 JanuaryIt’s not about putting 3 mics randomly around the cab…
Even with 2 mics, you’ve get phase cancelling all around. To get rid of this, it requires a lot of skill.
+ Your mic preamp is heavily distorting. Mic preamps matter more than you would think. A neumann with a crap preamp that’s distorting sounds crappier than a sm58.
banane
Posted at 13:45h, 18 JanuaryYes, +1. AngusRudd1019: can you tell us a bit more about your recording equipment?
AngusRudd1019
Posted at 14:17h, 18 JanuaryWell I run the mics into a 12 channel mixer and I can set the preamps for the mics there. I didn’t randomly set the mics, I really looked at that picture of Tony Platt’s micing style in the 70s and tried to recreate it to my best ability. I think my problem is the mic preamp as stated by Dries.
Dries
Posted at 14:55h, 18 JanuaryYou can’t place them like it is on a photo. The room and many other variables are making your situation completely different. The good way requires very good listening skills.
You will getting better results with one large diagram condenser mic ( even with cheap ones ) and a GOOD (tube) mic preamp.
There, I said it 🙂
banane
Posted at 15:00h, 18 JanuaryBig YES! 🙂 I have a SM57 and a cheap Shure PG 27 (large diaphragm condenser, ca. 130 Euros) and the PG27 gives me a great tone. Not using the SM57 anymore. Mic preamp is a M-Audio FastTrack.
Hyce
Posted at 05:01h, 21 JanuaryBanane, I highly recommend using the SM-57 and a condenser together. I use both my SM-57 and Behringer C-1 ($40 USD large diaphragm condenser- extremely good for the money). I have the SM-57 positioned on the cab where it gets the best tone that I want; I distance mic with the C-1 from maybe 6-7 feet away. Mixing the two together gives a really good tone. The SM-57 alone isn’t full enough; the C-1 is sort of bland. Adding the two together gives a full sound but with good focus.
For a comparison, listen to a couple of my tracks.
http://soundcloud.com/hyce777
The last two on the page were recorded just with the C-1, the ones above recorded with the C-1 and SM-57.
banane
Posted at 22:53h, 21 JanuaryYes indeed, the SM 57 gives a great tone. My problem with it was: it’s not sensitive enough for bedroom loudness level. Made great recordings with it but have to crank my amp too loud for getting a decent tone. The condenser is about 10 db more sensitive, thats just enough for bedroom recording. But anyay, mixing them both is a good idea indeed.
Hyce
Posted at 00:57h, 23 JanuaryOh I see. Btw; the C-1 is $40 USD or so and it is UBER sensitive… When listening in the mix, I hear things that are happening in my house that I don’t hear with my ears!
banane
Posted at 14:57h, 18 JanuaryYes, indeed, I also think so. Hm, maybe just start with one mic, playing some mp3 over the amp and listen with headphones on the mixer to get a decent mic sound. Eventually get different mic preamps.
Thats also the way to go with multiple mics to avoid phase cancellation.
Hyce
Posted at 22:49h, 17 JanuaryWhat mics are you using? Whatever they are, you need to work on positioning them. It’s really tough and takes a lot of time, or at least it does for me. I recommend plugging some good studio headphones into the mixer so you can hear what the mic is recording and placing one mic at a time until you get the right sound. From what I can hear, it sounds like you have the mics too close to the speakers- they are distorting really badly.
AngusRudd1019
Posted at 00:39h, 18 JanuaryI got 2 Shure SM58’s and I’m not sure what the other mic is lol. I did get too much distortion then I wanted but I think it’s from volume.
AngusRudd1019
Posted at 19:04h, 17 JanuaryI attempted to record using the Micing Technique that Tony Platt used in the 70s with the 3 mics and this is the tone I got. I didn’t have any Neumann’s to use just some Shure’s.I used my Marshall 100W Plexi Reissue and I still have my mighty AVT cab lol. Used my Epiphone SG w/ the Angus Young Signature Pickup.
Hope you guys like them!!!
Please let me know.
rjofig
Posted at 07:10h, 22 JanuaryCorey, I agree with some of the comments above, sounds a bit too distorted – but I really like tune #1, good stuff. Cheers!