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Marshall JMP 100 MkII Master Lead & Vintage 1960A G12M Greenbacks Test(s)

06 Oct Marshall JMP 100 MkII Master Lead & Vintage 1960A G12M Greenbacks Test(s)

Update: ‘nother little test. Made mistakes in microphone levels, it’s distorting oh well. Samson C01 still… no pro mic arrived yet. If you listen, now you’ll understand why I’m buying and what my secrets projects involve (records? Backing tracks? Tutorials and performances with this stuff? Answer is… yes to all of the above πŸ˜› )

UPDATE: a little thing, a little “vintage” sound test. Does it sound… “vintage AC/DC” to you, too? πŸ˜›

(done with the same settings, except for preamp at 6, another ’69 SG and microphone pulled away circa 1cm)

Okay, couldn’t wait. Please do not expect too much, this isn’t a great capture of it yet. But I could fix to use the Samson C01 microphone – a USD 100 (circa) microphone.

Here it is to you:

(need a quicktime plugin in your browser).

The first take is a ’69 SG, one you never heard yet. Then it’ll stop with a phone call you can barely hear in the background. Then I’m switching to a ’71 SG and will do a couple different microphone attempts.

Amplifier settings are presence 6, bass 8, mids 4, treble 6 and pre-amp (gain) 8. Master volume is very low, I think 3.

Now onto some pictures of this recording:

Overall view

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MIcrophone placing: I chose bottom, as it should/could emulate a non slanted cab. Position can be changed for several effects (this cabinet resonates like an acoustic guitar)

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View of the two guitars used here,the one on the right is the first one heard at the beginning of the clip, until the first pause; then comes in the second one.

Right: 1969 Gibson SG Standard; Left: 1971 Gibson SG Standard

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Related posts:

http://solodallas.com/angus-youngs-marshall-amplifier-the-back-in-black-tone-project/

http://solodallas.com/angus-cabinets-and-speakers/

http://solodallas.com/god-gift-to-rock-a-late-70s-marshall-jmp-100-watt/

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Fil "SoloDallas" Olivieri
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153 Comments
  • avatar
    JanHandsome
    Posted at 21:59h, 11 October

    Hey Solodallas

    I found this website yesterday, its actually pretty awesome – It shows angus and malcoms setup close on the Black Ice Tour http://musikkweb.no/html/news/382894820.html

  • avatar
    banane
    Posted at 03:32h, 08 October

    Found another interesting amp, the MARSHALL 2061X.
    Sold together with a matching cabinet with 2×12” Celestion G12H30 Speaker.
    Found a nice video on youtube, a guy playing some AC/DC riffs on a Malcolm Young signature Gretsch with it:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aCyQ7IgJ-s
    Any opinions on this one?

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 03:42h, 08 October

      Franz, I WANT to help you find your amp. Are you thinking of looking into vintage ’70s JMPs MV (master volumes) too, or are you only into a reissue Marshall amp such as this? IF you are looking for the JMP type of tone, my experience tells me to not accept compromises and go for the real thing. I think they may even have the same price. But what ever you want, I want to help. Let me know because I will start looking for you. PS I welcome everyone to find clips of the type of amp you want. Another cool place to look for info is the http://www.marshallforum.com/

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 03:55h, 08 October

      Franz, I do have that head! Hehe. I never showed it but I have it. You can even see it on the side on many of my older videos at studio58a. It’s an 18 watts head, a reissue, handwired I think It has EL84s I think (I can’t remember for sure). THAT one would be a great start. I’d look for a used one though. I could even sell you mine if you want, but before that I’ll do a video test (it’s at my soundengineer studio right now). It has low gain, even when cranked up, you need to know this. So to really boost it up you NEED a stomp box (pedal). What REALLY makes the tone in that video is the cabinet. Don’t forget. I’d go for a 4×12, not a 2×12. Striking difference. A cabinet like the one in the video, a 4×12 even reissue, with G25s in it. You’re going to love it.

      • avatar
        SGACE
        Posted at 04:33h, 08 October

        I just sold a marshall 2061x with the matching cabinet 2061cx.. Nice amp but there is a diferent world between EL84 and EL34 tube amps..

        • avatar
          SoloDallas
          Posted at 04:38h, 08 October

          agreed. Like I said – Franz – I’d go directly for a real JMP

          • avatar
            SGACE
            Posted at 04:43h, 08 October

            I was really happy with 2061x for long time but at the first 3 seconds that I played with the JMP, I never looked back again..
            If you will check the prices as a second hand, you will notice that they dont have significant price diference…

      • avatar
        banane
        Posted at 04:43h, 08 October

        Thank you, FIl πŸ™‚
        ok, I should write up, what I want:
        You named it perfectly: “A tube amp that would be a good start” πŸ™‚
        Just a good sounding Marshall amp/cabinet combination that is able to get my sound nearly to the AC/DC sound, if I play my guitar the right way. It does neither have to be correctly the vintage or the back in black or the modern tone, but it should come close to at least one of them.
        For now, as you said, the 2061X could be a good match, together with a 4×12 reissue cabinet.
        You are right about the tubes, it has 2 ECC83 and 2 EL84 tubes it it.
        Should be a better start than the VintageModern, I assume.

        • avatar
          SoloDallas
          Posted at 05:08h, 08 October

          I think a JMP will give you the FULL AC/DC tone range. Yup, I’m stretching that far. But anyhow whatever you choose, I’ll be here for ya.

          • avatar
            Angusrocks
            Posted at 05:35h, 08 October

            I know this problem. I spent
            a lot of money
            buying the wrong
            amps. I was soooo
            stupid. I could have the JMP for
            a long time, but no, i always bought the wrongs. That`s life….

            • avatar
              SoloDallas
              Posted at 05:39h, 08 October

              Well hear hear… that “sounds” like the story of my life… until now.
              Now I can NOT wait to go into the laboratory and play that MV beast. I am also buying NMVs JMPs, but just because I want to do so for solodallas.net and the Back in Black tone project. A sort of investment. But if I didn’t have to, I’d be happy with the MV JMPs. What a great amp it is. Can’t get enough.

              • avatar
                Angusrocks
                Posted at 06:03h, 08 October

                oooh yes, I believe you. If i got the money i will go and buy the JMP, too.
                ((-:

            • avatar
              banane
              Posted at 06:09h, 08 October

              Well, I was nearly about to make the same mistake, I believe. Fil and SGACE convinced me to get a JMP, so I will get one, as fast as possible.

              • avatar
                Angusrocks
                Posted at 06:19h, 08 October

                That`s
                your
                best
                desicion !

              • avatar
                SGACE
                Posted at 06:43h, 08 October

                If I find something interesting, I will post it to the ebay WATCH…

  • avatar
    thearmedmonkey
    Posted at 19:36h, 07 October

    Well Fil, today I miked my 1959 Marshall Super Lead (a 1980 model year that is) up to my friend’s SM57 microphones and I tell ya, I heard some Back in Black in there once I tweaked the microphone positions, but I’m not quite as close as you I think. One thing I can tell you is that it probaly is true that he used Super Lead on Back in Black but of unknown year. Well that’s my opinion. I will follow you closely on this project, and will be with until we all reach this goal together.

    Regards from Norway.

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 01:15h, 08 October

      Fantastic. We’ll debunk it!

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 03:44h, 08 October

      So yours should be a JMP, too. Have a pic of the front panel or a look-alike?

      • avatar
        thearmedmonkey
        Posted at 08:40h, 08 October

        Yes It’s a JMP. It has the large type power and standby switches, and also the serialnumber stamped on the left side of the powerswitch which indicates that it’s made between 1979 and 80. 4 inputs. I newly retubed it with JJ EL-34’s

        • avatar
          SoloDallas
          Posted at 08:56h, 08 October

          I truly think he used one of these on BiB (and maybe even others before). The JMPs I mean.

          • avatar
            thearmedmonkey
            Posted at 10:20h, 08 October

            Yes. He said he used 50w for solos on BiB. Would this be the same as you recently bought? A master model? Or is it a 1987 without MV. What do you think? I’m looking for a ca. 77 50w NMV, but they sure are hard to find! Awesome sound-clips you have here, they sound fantastic! πŸ˜€

  • avatar
    Kinglance
    Posted at 07:27h, 07 October

    Like your first audio-fragment a lot! The bass is fantastic! πŸ™‚ I’ll put my ideas online end of the week. Went to Carlos Santana yesterdag in Antwerp (together with my father). Great playing, great feeling, outstanding show!

  • avatar
    banane
    Posted at 06:59h, 07 October

    Fil, offtopic here, but could you do me a favor, please?
    Would you have a look at http://www.thomann.de/at/cat_bonedo~ncxes.html?artid=8740&ar=108450&page=0 and listen to the sound examples there and tell me how this one compares to your JMP?
    Of course, I would also like to have opinions from other people too πŸ™‚

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 07:07h, 07 October

      It’s NOT off topic. Everything is always on topic.
      Ah… the VM (Vintage Modern). I love that amp. I thought I was going to get one. While I can’t read German, I listened to some of those audio samples. See Franz, the style of the player playing also affects majorly the perceived tone. This guy plays mostly detuned (the crunch sounds) implying to me that he could be more of a modern rocker. I heard more of the JTM “rounded” style in the crunch of his playing, so he may have chosen that type of sound. So as far as those audio previews, no I didn’t hear a match with these JMPs. These ones sound with a distinctive “nasal” mid tone that comes out whatever you do (and with both cabinets I tried with it, the one with the V30s and this one with the greenbacks). Also, the speakers he’s playing through are VERY important if not determinant to the final sound. So I ask you, what speakers does it say he’s playing through? Didn’t find it there. It may well be that the VM can reproduce the JMP we have here, but we have to investigate further. I say again, I love the VM and was going to get one

      • avatar
        banane
        Posted at 07:43h, 07 October

        Thanks fir listening, FIL πŸ™‚
        Yeah, the writer stated in fact that it sounds like the JTM45 in the “Dynamic range low” mode and like a JCM800 in “Dynamic range high” mode.
        Unfortunetely he tells nothing about the speakers he used. And you are also right about the tuning, he used a drop-D tuning. So, hard to compare at all, if not impossible.
        I’m thinking about buying it, together with a MR1960BX cabinet (G12M/25 Greenbacks), but am yet unsure.

    • avatar
      Angusrocks
      Posted at 07:19h, 07 October

      To me it sounds too hard to agressive…….but others may hear different.

      • avatar
        banane
        Posted at 07:53h, 07 October

        Thanks for your opinion. The “Half British” sound is too hard, I agree there. “LP Riff” and “SG Rock” sounds interesting, but the guitar has a wrong tuning there.
        Have to search for better test sounds.

        • avatar
          Dave4433
          Posted at 11:29h, 07 October

          I’d say go to your nearest music shop or whereever you can try stuff out, and then decide what sound best for you.

          • avatar
            Angusrocks
            Posted at 12:27h, 07 October

            That will be the
            best !

            • avatar
              banane
              Posted at 16:21h, 07 October

              Dave4433, Angusrocks, of course you are right. Unfortunately, no music shop here has one in stock to try it out. All of them just said “if you buy one, we have it here in a few days”.
              And I have no one to go with me to check out the sounds and to discuss about it after testing. Another reason for me being here πŸ™‚

              • avatar
                SGACE
                Posted at 16:44h, 07 October

                The vintage/modern amp is really an interesting amp, I hear really good comments.. There is also a site dedicated for it.. If you cant play it before buying, you should check the web to gather information that will make you decide.. I had a try on it, but it didnt click something inside me ( AC/DC wise)..

                • avatar
                  banane
                  Posted at 17:30h, 07 October

                  Thanks, I’m reading review after review right now, and didn’t get even one bad yet.
                  It seems that Fils ears were right (what a surprise…) and its more the JTM direction. Many players stated that.
                  Searched youtube too, but didn’t found good videos.
                  Also, a lot of the reviewers said that this amp is very sensitive at how you are playing your guitar. So there’s no real alternative to testing it yourself. At the moment I tend to buy it. Would be a birthday gift to myself. And thats in december, so I have some time left so look around. Well, at at least some more days before I order it πŸ™‚

                  • avatar
                    SoloDallas
                    Posted at 03:47h, 08 October

                    (Damn comment box, this will be fixed) even the JTM50/45 are sensitive to your playing. Typical. But that doesn’t mean that the main character of the amp shouldn’t be heard. So if you don’t hear the main frequency that strikes a bell in you, you must be aware that it might now be what you want. I learned that right from the start a guitar or amp should tell you if they are for you or not.

              • avatar
                Angusrocks
                Posted at 05:39h, 08 October

                Yes,
                i see.
                That`s
                baaad.

  • avatar
    Angusrocks
    Posted at 06:29h, 07 October

    and Angus went back to his roots (-:
    You must be a very happy man with this JMP/sound !!! Fantastic !!!

  • avatar
    cwildes
    Posted at 23:23h, 06 October

    Just wondering, are you still liking the Metro as much, or will it not be getting as much use now that you have this and the NMV?

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 02:44h, 07 October

      Liking yes, very much, using right now, no, as I’m massively into this recent discovery of the JMP which is the amp I always wanted (and didn’t know). I will use the Metro for recording and tutorials and who knows what. I always use all my gear – or it gets sold!

  • avatar
    nitroangus23
    Posted at 19:08h, 06 October

    Would love to hear some mid 80’s era stuff like Fly On The Wall and Blow Up Your Video albums with this tone Fil,would be freakin’ awesome!

    Great Tone,your almost there!!

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 19:20h, 06 October

      And I promise you mate, now I can, I have the sound I wanted now. Those will come.

  • avatar
    SGACE
    Posted at 16:53h, 06 October

    One weird question.. Do you hear when you play the same quality in sound as the recorded? or is it blind ormaybe better???

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 17:00h, 06 October

      NOT weird at all. Actually is one of the most intelligent questions ever asked. Because it is extremely important. At times, I’m blind. I’m hearing worse right now, because this microphone is USB only and its interface is directly the computer, so latency is circa 1 second: I just almost didn’t hear anything of what I was playing, but I knew what I was doing. I detest giving the impression of boasting myself, but I have learned doing this playing live for years. Most often than not, when you play live, you don’t have superb tone, not the one people hear (unless you’re AC/DC and have 12 cabinets per side on your stage). So I had to learn to play barely hearing what I was doing and relying mostly on what I knew I could do. I go by “singing” the notes inside my head. That happens a few milliseconds before I do the note and it’s dependent on the previous notes or musical phrase that happened to me prior to that. I go in full auto when I do fast passages, those are the easy ones as it’s almost automatic notes. The thing is though, the better I hear, the more I feel inspired and the better I tend to play. The good thing in this little clip that was keeping me inspired was the main riff that had just come to me as an AC/DC “hack” while trying one SG this morning. I liked it instantly and that provided inspiration. I added bass just to kick it farther and liked the combination. So I was pretty hot and went for it at the first take, total of probably 5 minutes among all the parts.

      • avatar
        SGACE
        Posted at 17:15h, 06 October

        This is MAGIC then and yes you are gifted… This is a honest answer with honest / #%^&^! great sound…

        • avatar
          SoloDallas
          Posted at 17:19h, 06 October

          I TRULY thing I am not gifted. I actually KNOW I sucked MAJOR balls for most of my playing years. I really did George, I wish I had still the recordings of when I was 25 years old. It hit me all at once, when it did, it was the “timing” thing. Maybe just because I had sucked for sooo long (but WANTED to play well at all costs, would play for 8 hours a day for months many years ago). That kept me going, and that helped me understand. This is exactly why I started doing this and the youtube thing. Because it was a “late” illumination. When you have worked hard, you know the “details” and it comes to you to be able to – maybe – pass them onto others, as well as some good hunk of inspiration. PLEASE believe me, I am not playing the “humble” guy part. It really is my story πŸ™‚

          • avatar
            SGACE
            Posted at 17:22h, 06 October

            I am 35 years old and I regret for things that I havent done, but I strongly believe that playing like this is a Gift.. and i respect it as it is..

            • avatar
              SGACE
              Posted at 17:23h, 06 October

              Dont be confused… I mean musically…

              • avatar
                SoloDallas
                Posted at 17:25h, 06 October

                You mean the composing, right? Maybe, that yes. I think it came from listening to thousands of songs while growing up. I had musical phrases running in my head for years (laughs). Sorry, I hadn’t understood what you meant (and I wrote a freaking essay!) πŸ™‚

                • avatar
                  SGACE
                  Posted at 17:28h, 06 October

                  Nah, I say about chicks I dont regret anything that I have done to them but I regret things that I didnt do musically… lol lol…

                  • avatar
                    SoloDallas
                    Posted at 17:38h, 06 October

                    bwhahahhah πŸ˜›

  • avatar
    OldSchoolRocker666
    Posted at 12:31h, 06 October

    I bet one could plug headphones in this amp stock , attenuator needed? Naaah, the volume buttoms will handle it no problem, and you wooont get deaf, naaah how can that be possible, it’s just 100 watt Marshall Tube amp with Greenies ofcourse it wont make you deaf!
    *smiles and laughs* πŸ˜›

    • avatar
      SGACE
      Posted at 16:44h, 06 October

      Again I have to say that I have long long time to hear good music like this.. Bravo Maestro..

      • avatar
        SoloDallas
        Posted at 16:54h, 06 October

        I’m going for the Aracom attenuator George. BTW, so pleased you like this little thing. I downloaded some “rock drums loops” to make a little song thing off of the main riff (on the left side). Will add bass, two rhythm guitars on the sides and some solos. We’ll see from there. It’s what I have been wanting to do since I was… 10 years old. Just this.

        • avatar
          SGACE
          Posted at 17:01h, 06 October

          You are great, I wish the last record of the __/__ had this kind of music… I cant expect less from you… yes aracom is a good choice.. check your email in 5 minutes…

          • avatar
            SoloDallas
            Posted at 17:13h, 06 October

            Grazie! (email received, posted on the GP)

  • avatar
    OldSchoolRocker666
    Posted at 09:44h, 06 October

    The bend in the BiB song a bit past middle of played time in the sound clip underneath the other two.. Wow.. It sounded exactly like the record, or very VERY close.. i gotta get an similar amp when i can afford O.O

    Any ideas of a general price range of these amps?

    This is the sound i’ve allways sought after since i heard BiB for the first time πŸ™‚

    Great recording, really it is πŸ™‚

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 09:49h, 06 October

      Thanks mate. It’s always the same technique that I use, that you probably saw me use for bending and vibrato: all the four fingers, 90 degrees on the fretboard and pull. It does take time to get it right and at times, multiple attempts are needed. So that is the first step, even with the guitar unplugged. The amp won’t make it good if it ain’t good in the wood already πŸ˜€ BUT if you do it right unplugged, THIS amp will bring you to the stars. Price range? I think USD800 to USD1500. Totally worth it.

      • avatar
        OldSchoolRocker666
        Posted at 12:03h, 06 October

        Thanks for the info πŸ™‚

  • avatar
    davidon66
    Posted at 09:26h, 06 October

    I think you have to release an album , (and make money with it )……. an album where u do instrumental things with this gear,it will be like a vintage heaven, the newest record what you posted is killer .. u feel the power of the SG and Marshall even if the audio quality is not the best but u know who cares about that it makes it more vintage …..

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 09:32h, 06 October

      That has been in my mind for years. But I never felt quite ready as I do now. Now I know I am ready. I am ready chops wise, equipment wise and I hope, time wise. I will probably have my own little recording label, like an Indie thing. I will do it, sooner or later, though I think it’ll be sooner πŸ™‚ Also, although not a real album, I plan on releasing backing tracks for “us”. But such as no one ever heard until know. Played down to the bone as close as possible to the real thing. Stuff for us to play over, you know? Some inspiring stuff though. Has to sound good, has to kick us into playing. Like a real band – but a great one – would. No crap.

  • avatar
    HagusYoung
    Posted at 09:22h, 06 October

    Fiiil ??? you kidding me ??? Im not sure what youre thinking but id be a lucky man with this sound. It reminds me of Deeds and early live stuff.
    Do Rocker on it, ASAP ! πŸ˜€ (please) πŸ˜€

    • avatar
      SoloDallas
      Posted at 09:28h, 06 October

      What you refer to bud? To the fact that it’s distorted? The microphone signal was too high, that I meant. Oh I love this “tone”, this is it for me. It’s what I was always after for all of these years. Now I can humbly say it’s there. And much can be still experimented (such as, putting a sound barrier in front of the cabinet, vortex technique, more microphones including an ambient one, …. I will do rocker. I will do all of them. I will re-do them hundreds of times. I will do the tutorials about them. I will do everything we always wanted. I’ll will get into the bone of it, from the inside, I will put the guts of it out; I will enter hell and come back from it (I hope!). I want to do it all. I have no limits anymore. If my finances assist me, if my real time job keeps doing well, this ain’t stopping. It’s only growing. I plan on going to iTunes, too, and put my stuff there (videos and audio). I have so many things in mind that they won’t fit here. Got the message? πŸ˜›

      • avatar
        HagusYoung
        Posted at 10:55h, 06 October

        “Fil?You kidding me?” was more a shocked thing about the tone, its killer.
        I dont even think that the distortion is too bad, i realy liked the second clip, sounds like this ballsy kind of acdc interpretation of a rocknroll tune πŸ˜€
        I think ive got the message πŸ˜€
        And let your Padawans know if you need help with something.
        Fil, may the Force be with you!

        • avatar
          SoloDallas
          Posted at 10:57h, 06 October

          I was talking about “signal” distortion, not amp distortion… just to make sure we are on the same note πŸ˜€
          I need you. I need you all. I will need your support, help, critique and suggestions. I will need it all, because I am alone and I will be alone in doing this. At least, I have you guys

          • avatar
            Dave4433
            Posted at 12:07h, 06 October

            You are not alone from the moment you started this site!
            And yes, We will support You, We will critisise etc.
            Don’t You ever say taht You’re alone! EVER!

          • avatar
            HagusYoung
            Posted at 12:38h, 06 October

            Fil, as i allways could count on you, you can allways count on me, too.
            Btw did you check out my video, im still struggling with the 9s or 10s thing…

  • avatar
    anthonyportlock
    Posted at 08:18h, 06 October

    i have listened closley to the last recording and im sure i could hear a phone go off in the background :D, was this part of thier setup?…. lol joke, Great sound! comparied to some of the originals and very little difference only thing i found that it sounds slightly muffeled, was this because of the mic you used? also what type of pick does Angus use?

    Well done!
    Ant

    • avatar
      SGACE
      Posted at 08:27h, 06 October

      Fender Extra Heavy 351 type

      • avatar
        anthonyportlock
        Posted at 10:24h, 06 October

        thanks for the info SGACE πŸ™‚

    • avatar
      anthonyportlock
      Posted at 08:35h, 06 October

      soz reason i ask about the pick is because when i play back in black and get to the lunch of the solo and you have to get that harmonic sound by picking and making your thumb just touch the sting slightly (as stated in your back in black tutorials during the days of youtube :D) i use the thin type of pick which enables me to get that effect by having the tip of the pick bend when placed on then string then flick off the sting and then recoil form the string taps my thumb giving the effect (also vibardo with the left hand just after the picking) , have you tried with different picks before? not sure if its worth giving it a try because you said in your videos “it a bit of a chance thing”

      All the best
      Ant

      • avatar
        SoloDallas
        Posted at 08:50h, 06 October

        what sgace said. I only try to use extra heavy picks

        • avatar
          anthonyportlock
          Posted at 10:31h, 06 October

          does it make any difference in tone or is it just a preference thing? what do you use SGACE?

          • avatar
            SoloDallas
            Posted at 10:34h, 06 October

            Not tone, but the way you bring out yours. With lighter picks, you MAY have a slower attack on the strings or not as efficient. I use thick picks but a gentle touch. Takes practice, but I like the results

          • avatar
            SGACE
            Posted at 12:08h, 06 October

            Funny…I started play with extra heavy before I knew that he was using them. this pick is a killer for chords.. gives more power, it is easier to hit hard the strings…

            • avatar
              anthonyportlock
              Posted at 12:22h, 06 October

              Opps just re read the post, fil did mention a phone call… silly me πŸ˜›

  • avatar
    SGACE
    Posted at 08:13h, 06 October

    BRAVO (Standing Ovation), its not only the Great sound but the GREAT playing/ feeling that I absorb from that..
    This is The Sound………… I can stop listen it….

    • avatar
      SGACE
      Posted at 08:14h, 06 October

      which are the amp settings???

      • avatar
        SoloDallas
        Posted at 08:49h, 06 October

        Always the same ones: presence to 6 (yup), bass 8, mids 4, treble 6, full pre amp and master at 2. It’s the microphone position that can do heaps of difference George. Especially on smaller cones such as these 25w… the cabinet sounds different if you move the microphone away, either sideways or detach it from the cloth, as in this case. There is a LOT to experiment with this. On axis, off axis… lots of different sounds. Actually the rhythm guitar was at 10 on the guitar and 6 on the preamp. Just remembered now. I think this is one of the ways they recorded rhythm back then. Glad you enjoyed it, this is the type of tone I dig, too!

        • avatar
          SGACE
          Posted at 09:05h, 06 October

          Master on 2 means that you played reaaaally quiettly without blowing your ears.. The MV’s for me are two animals in one.. Try to open the master volume on say 8 and drop the pre on 3, it will be a different amp with different voicing..

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            SoloDallas
            Posted at 09:16h, 06 October

            I agree. In fact, I bought the super lead just to make sure I had it. I’m lovin’ this MV buddy

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              SGACE
              Posted at 09:24h, 06 October

              From purists side NMV maybe will sound better, for bedroom/ home/ whatever players that they want to have quallity in normal volume MV is the way…

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    adam10603
    Posted at 07:41h, 06 October

    HOLY GOD. this newest recording sounds unbelievable. Just like a vintage AC/DC song. WOW πŸ˜€ great job Fil! πŸ˜€ holy ***** what a tone!

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    banane
    Posted at 02:14h, 05 October

    After some listening and comparing to the older albums, I got it. Yes, the vintage clip sounds like one of the older AC/DC albums, like Dirty deeds. And Powerage. More like Powerage, for me.

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      SoloDallas
      Posted at 02:18h, 05 October

      It would make total sense to sound more like Powerage: I think they really used a cabinet with “lower wattage” speakers – such as these greenbacks OR G12H30 – incoming cab – and much likely, a JMP amplifier, MV or NMV. So I think the elements are all there. Imagine – Franz – if I tried to do a little backing track with the Gretsch and an SG, with drums and bass for you guys to record over? Should I? Will I? Want me to?

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        banane
        Posted at 02:57h, 05 October

        Yeah, that would be cool πŸ™‚ And beside that it would be a good example for learning sessions too.

        The older albums like Powerage sounds more “flat” than the Back in Black album, at least for me. With my bad ears, I have to turn them a lot louder than Back in Black to get all details.

        And I have a DVD here, “AC/DC Rock case studies” where someone said that the Back in Black album was the first album ever that sounded loud, no matter at what volume you listen to it.

        So I think they actually used other equipment for recording before Back in Black and you would be right then. I mean: “flatter” sound because of “lower wattage speakers” and more “air” between cab and microphone. Thats my theory here. Might be wrong.
        Regarding the amp, dont know, I havent played with real tube amps yet. I’m yet unsure which one to buy πŸ™‚

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        Aaron
        Posted at 08:27h, 05 October

        I would love a backing track. The style of playing in your vintage test clip above is my favourite ‘kind’ of rock n roll.

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    Tyler
    Posted at 18:40h, 04 October

    Sounds good, it’s in the area of bib tone but hard to say. I think it really comes down to the eq shaping and post production process that will bring that tone to life. Have you received the 50 watter yet?

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      SoloDallas
      Posted at 00:44h, 05 October

      yep good call. nope not here yet the other one came with a flash of light

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    Aaron
    Posted at 11:54h, 04 October

    I love the little rock n roll clip. I think i am in the double digits in the amount of times i have listened to it.

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    ar2619Rob
    Posted at 10:30h, 04 October

    Have played these two clips several times today through my stereo very loud indeed (empty house loud!) which I presume is more like the sound that you heard when playing.
    It is true to the AC/DC sound.
    The top clip to me is like the Dirty Deeds album, I instantly thought Ain’t No Fun Waiting Round……, the bottom clip definitely Back In Black.
    My preference is for …………………………………….whichever one I’m listening to at the time! Not being indecisive, but how can you say one is better than the other?

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      SoloDallas
      Posted at 01:42h, 05 October

      I WAS thinking of Ain’t no fun when I played those chords up there. Funny, no? No. It’s that you were able to get the magnetic waves I put into it and received on your end (oh yeah… right).
      I’m pleased that it sounds “true” to you too. I’m anxious to get the damn pro-mike so that I can start doing lots of recording. Tutorials, too. I had promised the FreeBird tut had to be up within Sept., turned out it was a dirty (deeds done dirt cheap) lie. Sigh.

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